This is a discussion on Zoom with Ante on Pokerstars within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; Hello everybody,
the Zoom tables on Pokerstars are now with Ante, how do you think this will influence the game and should the preflop ranges
I think the preflop ranges should be almost the same..... I played zoom omaha with antes and kept almost the same hand range of open raise....in zoom with no ante i would pot bet the open raise... the difference is that my initial open raising size for zoom with ante is not pot bet but like half pot raise only for example blinds .01/.02 cents I open raise to 7 cents not the pot size 13 cents.... with the 7 cent raise is enough to win the blinds and antes in several hands that other players dont call preflop... I noticed the players kept their hand playing range almost the same as if they were playing with no ante.... at least that is my impression from the hands I played in zoom with ante...
Yeah the Ante will change something, i was looking at the average pot for the NL10 it's 1$, the NL2 it's 0,5$ and like i'm a NL10 player with some bad results i think that i'll be playing the NL2 for better results and reduicing the swings somehow
I haven't tried NL 2 with ante yet. I've had earnings of around $ 100 at that level. I'm curious if my game could benefit from this, or maybe not.
In common sense, the key is a good selection of preflop hands and to extend the ranges a little according to the position, but I think it would not change too much, just pay a little attention and steal more wells from the button.
It hasn't influenced NL10 at all as far as I noticed, so whatever, but having a whole small blind being taken from your stack every time you are dealt cards (as it's now on NL2) is unacceptable and scummy.
Omg , in 9 max and you see your stack '' 9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1-0-9-8-7-6-...etc '' , diminishing so quickly , it forces you to play more aggressive , also the pots are bigger from the beginning to trigger a lot more action from aggressive players .
It really sucks , if they want to destroy zoom game , they do just fine . I see a lot less players on 2nl zoom , guess not only by the less isolation and restriction measures , lol . It reminds me of casino spins , you bet all the time , every spin , every hand , lol . I think I will find another fun game , zoom is not fun for me anymore . Thank you pokerstars ...........
Played it just now , it sucks . I guess in 6 max it's also worse .... , but 6max has a lot more action than 9max in any case ...hmmm...Maybe I will try once more 6max before I quit zoom for ever .......
Bullshit move imo. I moved from zoom to regular games this year though, thank god. Probably going to cash out my roll and forget poker at the end of the summer. The coronavirus brought fish back to the table but they're all gone now and it's a joke.
The game has become more aggressive.
It seems to me that the ranges have become more loose.
Each 5 hand is a preflop all-in.
The stack melts before our eyes and sit waiting for hands to catch fish once ...
The same ante for 2nl , the same as for 5nl and 10nl , this is a joke . I play 2nl , half small blind to pay every hand is tooo much .
I see my stack being reduced so fast .... Nt good , not funny , with xzoom I want to see many hands , have fun gouing from the one hand to the other, not to be pushed and forced to go all in very soon , due to small stack because of this ante .This sucks ,
I had winning session first time yesterday , 5.5 buyins , but this doesn't mean anyhting . Fun is over , might check again regular normal cash games ,without ante .
I saw the note from pokerstars , that this is in test mode , they want more action , bigger pots , more shoves-all ins . That's crazy man , They don';t have the right to do sth like this , I don't think this is a demand from the players so as for pokerstars to do so .......They are so greedy ....
I just saw it today on 1 cent 2 cent, the ante is too big in my opinion - it is one cent = a small blind every hand! You lose a small blind every time you fold.
Play a tight normal game and your stack is vanishing fast!
Is it part of the strategy by Stars to make the games crazier, more variance etc.
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Zumm is a highly dispersed game for success in which discipline, patience, caution and time are needed, and the ante further increases the variance.
Previously, rakeback helped reduce dispersion, but now it's just fun ...
I said half small blind every hand as ante , I was mistaken , it's one whole small blind every hand , lol , in 2nl ofcourse . I played yesterday , again I won 3 more buy ins , actually it's 3 more half buyins (55 blinds i buy in every time, that is the ''half buy in '' for me , lol ) but still not fun . I want to see many cards , set traps in good positions , if I wanted fast action , rapid quick sjoves , I would have played spins or blast games , lol , not a cash game . PokerStars , greedy bas****
Also I played for fun PLO 2nl , that was not fun, J4xx , not suit , not QKA big card , he raised UTG , sb called , I reraised with AAxx , suited and big cards if I remember correctly , almost all in , but not all in for one two blinds , lol , wanted him to shove , for obvious reasons , he shoved , the other one called , lost , JJ on the board . I won'tplay a gain PLO on Stars after this hand , so sick , disguisting . I also played today again NLH 2nl zoom , but with no patience , shoved oop QQ after a 2.5bb bet , me on the SB , 40 blinds , bad , BB called with AA , lol , cashed out , then shoved A2s with 6.5 bb , AQ called later position , lost , lol
With this cash out I saw , that , at least on 2nl , cash out is not profitable now , imo , with 15 blinds I used to have 10 rounds , 90 hands theoretically , ofcourse less than half of these hands would be enough to get a strong hand , or even better in good position , in order to double up . Now with this ante , I think I have less than 30 hands , lol , stack declines so fast , you are forced to go all in very soon AT(cr**)C Cash out is not good now on the very micro stakes .
I will play three four more sessions , then I will have my final verdict on 2nl zoom ante for ever !!! On the meanwhile , goodbye pokerstars' PLO 2nl or other stake , for ever !!!
A well-known poker truth: the more Ante the more percentages of hands you need to play. Adding ante to the blinds increases the size of the pot and improves the chances for a call, plus forces super tight players to join the game more often, so that their stack is not destroyed by additional forced bets.
I used to have this half buyin strategy (55bb buyins) to trap with very good hands full stack players .or 200bb or more bbs players , and double up very quickly , besides the fun of seeing too many hands with this stack on 9max zoom . Also half buy in cause I am not a good player , minimise the losses , lol But now , half buy in seems very small , it's stressing how fast it declines , I feel a pressure that I will have in very few hands to risk a lot , a lot more and faster than in the past . A lot more action , I don't like it , cause I am kinda tight player
I hope this ends soon , and go back in theway it used to be , without antes , antes are good for tournaments imo , not for cash games , don't like to see them on cash games
Curious.....why did they do this only on micro/low stakes of zoom ,and not in middle or high stakes zoom games ?? this is not fair .... In the micros of 2nl , or even more on 5nl zoom , NLH or PLO , I think they should have added an additional small blind every round (9 hands on 9max or 6 hands on 6max) , especially on 2nl , if felt the necessity to drive the acrion in more crazy aggro levels , because this extra small blind per hand , is too much ...........
BTW ... Zoom games are not the same as normal cash games , with specific plyers , position , etc . The players' pool change all the time , their position as well , the players playing on it ... So , why not giving the players the opportunity to keep their stack , and return another time , maybe next day , or in two days ??? like they do on cyclone kind of zoom games on ACR (which awards tickets , not a cash game , but I like the format Now you play , you sit out for some minutes (10,15,20 ?? I don't remember exactly , and then you are out of the zoom players' pool , which I don't like )
Curious.....why did they do this only on micro/low stakes of zoom ,and not in middle or high stakes zoom games ?
Because they will not tolerate it. The same way that Pokerstars increased the rake % in micro buyin MTT's. They are doing it to the micros because they think they can keep raping them for more $'s. It sucks!!!
solution - don't play Maybe if enough players stop playing it, they will change it back? (I won't play it anyways... but for those who want to play zoom, I'd suggest they sitout for awhile)
While i was trying this ante mode of 2nl zoom game , i saw I had more winnings , players were more willing to go all in , even with crazier hands than before . Now things have changed , they removed the antes from the micros , they introduced them to the higher buyins .
Despite this thing that i have seen , I still don't like these antes games , no fun at all playing zoom with antes , especially on the 6max , there the action I have seen it , it's very high , why put also these antes ??? No need imo