KyleJRM
Visionary
Silver Level
Tighter than 15/8
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That may, in fact, be sufficiently tight. :icon_salu
Tighter than 15/8
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Tighter than 15/8
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I don't have a top 5, but the most important to me is:
- Know who your playing against! If your opponent raises all in 40-50% of the time, you're gambling against luck, get out of that table because you can't use anything against luck. Make sure you're on a table with people who "somewhat" know how to play, and play seriously as if the table were worth more. You can win off good strategy against that, rather than against pure luck.
I think I just became retarded by reading this.
That is way too tight sorry, that's being a nit. My stats at 20NL for this month when I really started improving my game and made most of the money
are 24/20 with a win-rate of 10bb/100 over 12K hands.
Considering all the 28K hands I've played at 20NL, they're 24/18 so close.
Are you calling too much as well? Most nits I've seen take so long to enter a hand that when they do, they're pretty much committed to it all the way once they get TP or even less.
Are you talking FR or 6-Max? Because they are different animals.
Also- as far as good, decent, bad players it all depends on the stakes.
The reason that "good" players play at higher stakes is because they can beat them, obviously. You could be a good, maybe even expert 100nl player and be a bad 1000nl player.
So if you are a "good" microstakes player then you should play a fairly basic strategy. This will make you a pretty good 10nl player, but not necessarily a good 100nl player.
The quality of a player is subject to the stake level they play at. But if someone can beat 100nl, they can beat 10nl- because they understand how to bet for value and how to exploit their opponents.
The micros are great places to learn poker and if you have a solid win rate then you can eventually move up to the next buy in amount, afterall no one wants to play the micros forever.
Eventually every player will hit their cap of being "good" at their stake. Some make it to the nosebleeds and crush the game (crush meaning like 3-4bb/100 hands). Most will never play 100,000nl and win.
But Phil Ivey, Durr, Patrick Antonius, and a number of other players could ALL play at the micros and beat that game.
So if you think you can compete with top quality players (or even "good" players at three levels above you) and you are losing in the micros then you are wrong.
I can guarantee that you are wildly wrong.
Poker is not a game of macho "I can beat the best." The edges of a good player over a decent player are tiny, and it becomes very difficult to beat the rake.
Nobody makes money at poker until bad players start shipping them easy cash. That's why table selection is one of the most important factors in winning.
Then feel free to explain it.
Why would good poker players do better against a higher quality of competition than they would against poorer competition?
Why does a 2nd grader do poorly in class, then gets moved up a grade (or two) then does amazing?
Bordom, not enough challenge.
Fact.
Fair point. Although I would submit that most people who can't stay disciplined because of boredom have a discipline problem. But for a small percentage of players, that's probably true.
*Assuming they are trying to win,* why would a good player not do best against the worst players?
Eh, again it would have to follow under boredom and/or the reward for the success.
Honestly, sure, Durrrr and any other pro COULD beat the micro stakes, but they would have to have some sort of motivation to do so.. Maybe a big prop bet or something against another pro and/or players.
I get what your both saying, your both right in your own ways.
Of course thats just my opinion.
Two different questions are being addressed here, and let's make it clear which we are talking about.
Would very good players do better at higher stakes than lower stakes?
Would very good players do better against average opponents than very bad opponents, regardless of stakes? (There are bad players at *every* level)
Well my answer remains the same for both questions really. No real right or wrong answer, it just depends on the person and the interest. For some its one way, for others its the other, and some even both.
The post above makes a lot of sense too, your getting into questions that start to get into a complicated answer. Not all people are the same, I can't see there being only one correct answer for your questions.
This thread derailed somewhere along the way imo, after some very good responses to OP.
Regarding the "omg donks suck, get lucky, and it tilts me" discussion, Geoff and others have suggested an interesting thought, that there maybe are skills/strategies that work against donks. I think a few people have already cited a couple, maybe expanding on that might be useful and responsive to OP, imo.
Beating donks is the easiest freaking thing in the world. I do not understand why people have such a problem with it. I'm willing to accept that there might be a few good players out there who don't get this problem, but the vast majority of people who talk about how frustrating it is to play donks are losing players.
Step 1: Wait for a good hand
Step 2: Wager money that your hand is the best through betting
Step 3: Collect your winnings
Everything else is just Fancy Play Syndrome, and that's a leak. Even if you play at higher stakes against better players, there will still be total donkfish at your table and you need to be prepared to accept all the money they are trying to give you.
It's like showing up at your new job as grade-school football coach and trying to install a zone defense rather than teaching the kids how to put their pads on straight.
1. BRM
2. Don't enter the pot unless you think you have the best hand (folding most of the time)
3. Raise or fold concept
4. Limp only from LP and only if 2+ players have already limped
5. Understanding posiion and knowing how to use it
I know it's hard to understand in principle, but it just happens. I'm just starting to kick off FPS against donks, isn't working entirely but I'm sure I stopped spewing quite a few $. Hope it will work out, only started consciously telling me this is a donk don't cbet or bluff at him a couple of days ago lol
The hard part I guess is completely shifting what would normally be good play in the space of seconds sometimes. That's why you have to play close attention to everyone at your table(s)