Why people do this with AA's is behond me?

[twizzybop]

Stage #445450145 Tourney ID 1152860 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $30 - 2006-07-13 12:28:37 (ET)
Table: 23 (real money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 1 - DIGITAL BATH ($2460 in chips)
Seat 2 - BI6BIRD ($1180 in chips)
Seat 3 - MIDGET11 ($5760 in chips)
Seat 4 - CHERIZAR ($1465 in chips)
Seat 5 - BEERGOD ($1635 in chips)
Seat 6 - SKBRADLEY ($1765 in chips)
Seat 7 - COMEBYCHANCE ($3050 in chips)
Seat 8 - PIOTREK12345 ($2720 in chips)
Seat 9 - TWIZZYBOP ($3495 in chips)
SKBRADLEY - Posts small blind $15
COMEBYCHANCE - Posts big blind $30
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to TWIZZYBOP [Ac Jh]
PIOTREK12345 - Calls $30
TWIZZYBOP - Calls $30
DIGITAL BATH - Folds
BI6BIRD - Calls $30
MIDGET11 - Calls $30
CHERIZAR - Folds
BEERGOD - Folds
SKBRADLEY - Calls $15
COMEBYCHANCE - Checks
*** FLOP *** [6d Ah 10s]
SKBRADLEY - Checks
COMEBYCHANCE - Checks
PIOTREK12345 - Checks
TWIZZYBOP - Bets $150
BI6BIRD - Calls $150
MIDGET11 - Folds
SKBRADLEY - Calls $150
COMEBYCHANCE - Calls $150
PIOTREK12345 - Calls $150
*** TURN *** [6d Ah 10s] [Jc]
SKBRADLEY - Checks
COMEBYCHANCE - Checks
PIOTREK12345 - Checks
TWIZZYBOP - Bets $1050
BI6BIRD - All-In $1000
SKBRADLEY - Folds
COMEBYCHANCE - Folds
PIOTREK12345 - Folds
TWIZZYBOP - returned ($50) : not called
*** RIVER *** [6d Ah 10s Jc] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BI6BIRD - Shows [As Ad] (Three of a kind, aces)
TWIZZYBOP - Shows [Ac Jh] (Two Pair, aces and jacks)
BI6BIRD Collects $2930 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($2930)
Board [6d Ah 10s Jc Qh]
Seat 1: DIGITAL BATH Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: BI6BIRD won Total ($2930) All-In HI$2930) with Three of a kind, aces [As Ad - P:As,B:Ah,P:Ad,B:Qh,B:Jc]
Seat 3: MIDGET11 Folded on the FLOP
Seat 4: CHERIZAR Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: BEERGOD (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: SKBRADLEY (small blind) Folded on the TURN
Seat 7: COMEBYCHANCE (big blind) Folded on the TURN
Seat 8: PIOTREK12345 Folded on the TURN
Seat 9: TWIZZYBOP HI:lost with Two Pair, aces and jacks [Ac Jh - B:Ah,P:Ac,P:Jh,B:Jc,B:Qh]

There was 5 others that limped in against AA's... I even asked why he let everyone limp in... his reasoning "more chips"... or the mini raise with them

Don't ever understand that concept of letting that many limp in the hand while holding a top 10 pre flop hand.

 

[Schatzdog]

Why didn't you raise pre-flop to narrow with AJ then?

After that you'd get maybe 2 or 3 callers. Then when you bet out on the flop and get called, you'll have a better idea of where you stand.

 

[gord962]

Kind of hard to argue this scenario as he got all his chips in and won. A better example would be one where he lost against someone who limped in with 7-2 and lost his stack to two pair because he wouldn't let go of top pair.

Either way, a donkish move by limping with A-A. I find it more and more frequent that people are simply limping and calling down instead of being over aggressive. Maybe they had a bad run of luck and were afraid of getting their AA cracked because it happened twice in the last few days. Who knows, why these people do these things.

 

[twizzybop]

I personally would rather lose with them by someone calling junk and hitting the 2 pair when I made a pre-flop raise..

Giving that many people a chance to hit a hand is just out right nuts.
I have busted AA's myself cause they've limp in.. once was a nut flush on the flop.. and the other was a straight I hit on the flop...If either one had raised pre-flop.. I wouldn't have won and taking all thier chips.

 

[JAMILE1]

There was 5 others that limped in against AA's... I even asked why he let everyone limp in... his reasoning "more chips"... or the mini raise with them

Don't ever understand that concept of letting that many limp in the hand while holding a top 10 pre flop hand.

Actually I think he played it well, maybe his A's been popped a couple times and he figure try another way, being also he is in middle position with 3 callers in and 3 more yet to act, now he hits the flop and now thinks okay now I'll wait for someone to bust a move and boom, granted the straight was a possibility, though after the flop everyone just called (5ppl) maybe a sign of weakness? so when the turn brings the J, now he thinking thin the field here and 3 checks to you, is someone slowplaying a straight at this point? you bet out, he calls, all the others fold, you're down! I think nice play but what the hell do I know!!!

 

[gord962]

Actually I think he played it well, maybe his A's been popped a couple times and he figure try another way, being also he is in middle position with 3 callers in and 3 more yet to act, now he hits the flop and now thinks okay now I'll wait for someone to bust a move and boom, granted the straight was a possibility, though after the flop everyone just called (5ppl) maybe a sign of weakness? so when the turn brings the J, now he thinking thin the field here and 3 checks to you, is someone slowplaying a straight at this point? you bet out, he calls, all the others fold, you're down! I think nice play but what the hell do I know!!!

I agree except for pre-flop. you need to bet at least 2-3 X B to get rid of a few limpers. But yes, it was masterfully played after the flop as he was able to get all of his chips in by the turn without having to bet or raise!

 

[Egon Towst]

Yep, I wouldn`t have played that hand the way BigBird did. It`s quite a common style though, to slow play like this and try to trap. Definitely not good practice in a ring game, but there`s an argument for it in a tourney, where every opponent you can knock out moves you nearer the money.

If you don`t mind me saying so, I don`t think you were correct to go in so heavy when the Jack fell on the board. Although it made your hand, I`d have been concerned that (with so many others in the pot) one of them might easily have been holding KQ and just made his straight.

 

[twizzybop]

Yes Gord but now what happens and I know *if* is just a word I had a straight? or the one who called after the flop had the straight?

Placing AA's with the possibility of being against a straight vs making a pre-flop raise and possibly elminate someone holding K,Q is down right again nuts

 

[twizzybop]

I went in heavy to see if anybody had the straight... so far "passive playing" with everyone calling to me... I played my position after the flop the way its supposed to be played... I honestly hate A,J... I hardly win with that hand.. raising or limping with it...I would rather have pocket 44's or 55's anyday over A,J..

 

[unlucky]

i think this was a dangerous move on his part. he would have to be willing to let them go depending on the flop if someone hit a straight or fllush we've all seen it. Myself I would rather win a small pot than loss any pot. Depending on the blind size if you were not going to push i would at the very least raise the minimum. If you were going to play this hand this way. Myself i would raise it up hard because u guessed I'm the guy who gets beat playing like that so i would try to take the small pot there.

 

[gord962]

Don't get me wrong, I would never play AA like this nor do I recommend it. But, at this stage in a tourney there are still plenty of donks that would call any size PF bet (even if he would have pushed) from any position with KQ and he would have lost to a straight as well.

I am not going to complain about players like this because it's these people that pad our bankrolls because they end up getting married to pocket A's and eventually they will lose their entire stack to a straight or a flush.
Then there is the entertainment value when they come on here and post how all the poker sites are rigged because they lost with AA AGAIN.

As an example of how any donk will call, last night with the blinds at 200/400 I bet 5 X BB with AK suited and some dork called me down with Q-6 and hit his Q on the river after I made a pot sized bet (which put him all-in) after the flop. Absolutely rediculous right? Two hands later I hit a straight and made a bet that would put him all-in, he called with absolutely nothing against my straight. I lost once to him when i was ahead, but I got it back and knocked him out because he was simply not very smart.

 

[BKrywko1]

I find it more and more frequent that people are simply limping and calling down instead of being over aggressive. Maybe they had a bad run of luck and were afraid of getting their AA cracked because it happened twice in the last few days. Who knows, why these people do these things?

While 80-90% of the time I'm raising with this hand pre-flop, every once in a while it pays to just limp in, and let others do the raising for you, or just to disguise your play. Whether you win or lose the hand, players seeing that you're capable of limping with any 2 cards will make it tougher to put a read on you, especially when you raise junk later on.

It's a shame when you pull AA in the first couple of rounds in an SnG or a MTT, do a 3xBB raise, and only pick up the blinds. Even worse at almost any stage of a tournament to pick up AA in the BB, and have the hand folded to you without any action. I'd rather go broke with AA than get no action, strange as that may sound to some of you.

 

[ChuckTs]

I agree to a point, BKrwko1.
Limping is fine, but do you really agree with villain's play here of limping after two other limpers? I think it's terrible. Like I said, I do think there are situations for limping (say on a hyper-agg. table you might limp-raise utg or if the table's super passive, you might limp on the button instead of raise the blinds), but this is definitely not one of them.

 

[BKrywko1]

As for this specific hand, Chuck, no way I'm limping into this pot given the action before me. I have no issues with his postflop play - short of running into KQ this is about the best flop you could hope for playing AA this way.

Maybe this guy is just an action junkie - I certainly can appreciate that attitude there!

 

[Nitram_80]

I agree that the only time I may limp is in early position if the table is wild so I can reraise. If i have a few limpers in front of me , I would raise the pot or even more and make them pay. BTW , I was just playing a ring game and had aces under the gun so I raise and a donkey calls my raise with 34 , not even suited . The flop gave him trips 4s and I am just glad that the board also put aflush on the board , otherwise I would ve lost a big stack . I learned that lesson the hard way , along time ago and anyone who considers himself a good poker player should know this rule by now.

 

[lightning36]

Limping with AA

I have done this before, but it is with the full knowledge that I may get burned big-time. I may also clean everyone out, so ...

We all know what happens more often than not: the limped AA looks good, then suddenly a straight or flush possibility is on the board and is a real threat to your rockets. Not good! If you slow play rockets like this, you also have to be willing to fold your hand, a difficult move for many players.

 

[joosebuck]

i dont think he "shoulve" raised with AJo in such an early position..