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In past 3,4 days i have been on a ba downswing.
I have lost 20% of my bankroll just due to bad beats!
I have been first card dead for very long and i try to play as fast and safe and aggresive as possible.
But fishes get there on river.
Not on turn but river.
One player opens from utg with Q3 off i 3 bet him with Aks
He 4 bets i go all in he calls.
Flop comes AA2 turn 4 river 5.
Whattttt!!!!
Another player calls my AA big raisr with A7 and hits a runner runner straight.
I open KK player from late pos goes all in with A10 and hits an ace on river.
I get AA utg i open 8× BB.
3 players call. Flop comes 6 9 2 l.
BB shoves his 150$ into pot of 24$ and has QQ.
Rivers a Queen.
Another hand on flop i have Aj flop is AJ2.
Player with 44 raises pot i go all in he calls turns a 4.
I have lost 25% of my bankroll just due to bad beats and loose passive fishes playing wrong and getting rewarded!
:((((((((
 
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Sometimes it seems to me that some players use forbidden programs. They know the finale and go All-in with a bad hand ...
 
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This will not be your first time or last time this will happen to you.
Keep your head up and continue on it will usually come out in your favor if you are playing well. I call these types of players more money than since. I despise these types of players but we need them when they are on the losing end we will make money and lots of it from these types.
 
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I have a theory about online poker. I had to find myself in similar situations in which my bank suffered greatly and as you did, I tried to understand what I was doing wrong. If you follow the history of handouts, you can sometimes notice a system and try to predict what will happen next on the table. Maybe these thoughts arise from me through ludomanii, but still this is my theory, I do not im in and you do not impose it, maybe it will help you.
 
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Take a break and not complain about your opponents playing bad.
We all have been there including myself and this tilt just leads you to lose all of your money sooner or later so better dump it now.

Never EVER complain again about opponents playing bad. You need to understand that you WANT your opponents to play bad. If they suck out from time to time dont get upset, thats the part of the game. You are never for sure winning the hand unless you have 100% equity. Better understand that quickly or this can ruin your results like it does to many players.

And good luck :)
 
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I understand the tilt, and that you are upset, but all of these situations are very good actually. I mean, you don't want to coin flip every time you try to make money, instead you really really like when "Fishes" do stupid stuff, call you off. Despite the fact you lost a few, if these situations keep happening you will always be in the green.

Don't think about words like rigged, cheating, or stuff like that.. I played live session last night, 8 times during the night, AA got cracked and only once did they survive an all in. Therefore, bad beats happen everywhere.
If you are still confused about how are you losing in all in situations much, just remember that even KK vs AQs is 2:1 meaning you lose once in three times.

It is all statistics, and you want as many percentage as possible on your side when shoving or calling a shove. If chances are always on your side, then you will always make more money then you are losing, but you have to understand bad beats will occur here and there...
 
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In past 3,4 days i have been on a ba downswing.
I have lost 20% of my bankroll just due to bad beats!
I have been first card dead for very long and i try to play as fast and safe and aggresive as possible.
But fishes get there on river.
Not on turn but river.
One player opens from utg with Q3 off i 3 bet him with Aks
He 4 bets i go all in he calls. Flop comes AA2 turn 4 river 5.
Whattttt!!!!
Another player calls my AA big raisr with A7 and hits a runner runner straight.
I open KK player from late pos goes all in with A10 and hits an ace on river.
I get AA utg i open 8× BB.
3 players call. Flop comes 6 9 2 l.
BB shoves his 150$ into pot of 24$ and has QQ.
Rivers a Queen.
Another hand on flop i have Aj flop is AJ2.
Player with 44 raises pot i go all in he calls turns a 4.

I have lost 25% of my bankroll just due to bad beats and loose passive fishes playing wrong and getting rewarded!
:((((((((

While beats like these can be mind boggling and frustrating, I've got to wonder how or why you've managed to lose 20-25% of your bankroll in 4 hands. You'll want to review BRM (bankroll management) guides to ensure you're not risking too much of your roll while playing. I'm assuming this is online poker?

That said let's take a look and break down each hand you provided to get a deeper perspective on the wildness of micro and low stakes poker: (even though we'd need more info on each hand to understand the dynamics, stack sizes, stakes, format, etc):

Hand 1: While Q3 is a junk starting hand for sure, it's still 30% to win against AKs. If villian was a thinking aggressive player they may have put you on AK or AQ which many people will fold to 4 bet pressure (although whether it's correct to do so is very situation/villain dependent). And if villian was just mashing keys (a la a super fish), they're still 30% to win it lol. AKs is still just A high. Obviously if he called you on the flop or shoved the flop then yes it was a brutal beat, but all in pre...bad but not the worst.

Hand 2: Fish love any Ace suited pockets (A7s), so if suited they LOOOOVE to see flops with them even though the odds of flopping a flush is only around 2% (thus adding only around 2% value to suited hole cards). Suited connectors are different (esp higher one , like 910s) because they offer the chance when pre flop action is cheap to hit straights, flushes, or at least BIG draws like open enders and flush draws and disguised 2 pairs, etc. But I digress. If villian had a tiny short stack they may shove here with any ace (esp if short in a tournament) but otherwise yes this was a bad beat IF you were all in before the straight became obvious and you played your AA correctly (although if stack sizes were bigger you might have gotten better value from not shoving pre flop).

Hand 3: Standard play, standard cooler. Fish love any Ace. And in this spot, they're STILL a 30% favorite to win when all in pre. You played it fine.

Hand 4: Did you call their massive overbet shove? Or did you bet, they shoved, and you called? In spots like this I'm worried about sets sometimes esp with such a huge overbet, at the same time, big bets like this do often show up as overpairs on low boards like this (esp if the board is draw heavy) so a lot of times QQ is good here against things like AK, AQ, 1010, JJ,, 88, all hands that might be raising preflop.

Villian played the preflop well by not risking their stack with a shove vs your aggression, as for the flop they're facing 2 other players on board that's possibly a draw heavy board (esp is wet) and so they should be betting QQ here, should they be shoving here? Probably not, but a good pot size bet from them is probably what they're needing to correctly do. That said, we can't be too scared of sets here (and sometimes villians shove big draws , I recently folded AA to a big re-raise on a draw heavy flop live and after analysis and villian tendency considerations, they were raising a draw).

Hand 5: I think as played, you played it fine. The 44 shove on that flop is baffling but not unheard of especially if villian had a short stack. I'd classify this as a bad beat.

Overall putting it in perspective, Hand 2 (if you were all in ahead and not going all in when obvious straight is showing) and Hand 5 are the only ones that really stand out as a bad beat. Hand 1 and 3 are rough but 30% to win it isn't really a bad bad beat. Hand 4 seems ok play wise on both ends.

So I'd advise better bankroll management so that you don't lose 20-25% of your bankroll in 4 hands.

As for those commenting about "them knowing the cards to come" or "having special software to detect the next card" that's mostly just magical thinking on their end. There's been maybe, two cases where a superuser was outright cheating from the inside (i.e. UB scandal) and even then they only knew everyone else's hole cards...not the cards to come!

Yes it does sometimes FEEL like these villians "must know" if they're shoving with any two cards but just like we might FEEL like they know, they just "FEEL" like it's their lucky time to shove. I implore anyone who really believes this kind of "they have to know!" thinking to try live 1/2 casino poker and see how often players shove with any two cards and catch miracles. Hell in the One Drop for One Million tourney last week (million dollar buy in) a pro got into a 3 way all in situation with 1010 pre flop...was behind on flop and turn, then hit a 4 (or 6 depending on suits dont recall) outer on river to knock out two players with his rivered 10. So brutal beats happen everywhere and the cards have no memory.

Do some site's RNGs operate in different manners that "might" lead to different frequencies (i.e. distribution and expected frequency is normal but seems like they get clustered together more like AA ever 221 hands on average but a player gets them 4 times in a row!) based on the RNG's mechanism, probably. Does this mean it's rigged or giving a certain player "knowledge of what's to come?" Greatly greatly unlikely. I mean I'm playing on one of the most swingy,wild, shovefest sites I've ever experienced and yet when I look at a hand sample of nearly 20,000 hands I'm getting dealt the expected cards at the expected frequencies overall, even though sometimes it feels like I lose 4 times in a row to 2% miracle rivers!.

So all this aside, welcome to poker. These beats can be maddening for sure...but BRM, solid understanding of odds/math, and just seeing the brutal beats that can happen live or at any stakes helps keep perspective. It;s a long term game.
 
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Take some time of poker. Not too much but enough for you to relax. Every player get through a slump some time of the year, even the greatest. You are playing as it should be played, and you need to continue playing the right way. Everything is math. Next 20 times you will win hamd like that. Just one time you lost. Or you lost 5 times. And maybe for the next 100 times you will win. I doesnt work exactly like that, im just saying it roughly.
 
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if i can give any advice, it would be to think twice before going all in. All your hands you said you went all in and lost. Maybe raise if you think you have a strong hand and fold if you have to.With the AA utg you raised 8x the bb. after the flop if everyone's calling all in it's best to fold your hand. Only go all in when you know t hat you have the winning hand. For the next week don't go all in at all. See if you actually start winning. I was making the same mistake with a major tournament. The minute i stopped going all in, i started winning more and actually got into the money.
 
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keep calm and try to recover some, not all. the luck sometimes help. but really slow.
 
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While beats like these can be mind boggling and frustrating, I've got to wonder how or why you've managed to lose 20-25% of your bankroll in 4 hands. You'll want to review BRM (bankroll management) guides to ensure you're not risking too much of your roll while playing. I'm assuming this is online poker?

That said let's take a look and break down each hand you provided to get a deeper perspective on the wildness of micro and low stakes poker: (even though we'd need more info on each hand to understand the dynamics, stack sizes, stakes, format, etc):

Hand 1: While Q3 is a junk starting hand for sure, it's still 30% to win against AKs. If villian was a thinking aggressive player they may have put you on AK or AQ which many people will fold to 4 bet pressure (although whether it's correct to do so is very situation/villain dependent). And if villian was just mashing keys (a la a super fish), they're still 30% to win it lol. AKs is still just A high. Obviously if he called you on the flop or shoved the flop then yes it was a brutal beat, but all in pre...bad but not the worst.

Hand 2: Fish love any Ace suited pockets (A7s), so if suited they LOOOOVE to see flops with them even though the odds of flopping a flush is only around 2% (thus adding only around 2% value to suited hole cards). Suited connectors are different (esp higher one , like 910s) because they offer the chance when pre flop action is cheap to hit straights, flushes, or at least BIG draws like open enders and flush draws and disguised 2 pairs, etc. But I digress. If villian had a tiny short stack they may shove here with any ace (esp if short in a tournament) but otherwise yes this was a bad beat IF you were all in before the straight became obvious and you played your AA correctly (although if stack sizes were bigger you might have gotten better value from not shoving pre flop).

Hand 3: Standard play, standard cooler. Fish love any Ace. And in this spot, they're STILL a 30% favorite to win when all in pre. You played it fine.

Hand 4: Did you call their massive overbet shove? Or did you bet, they shoved, and you called? In spots like this I'm worried about sets sometimes esp with such a huge overbet, at the same time, big bets like this do often show up as overpairs on low boards like this (esp if the board is draw heavy) so a lot of times QQ is good here against things like AK, AQ, 1010, JJ,, 88, all hands that might be raising preflop.

Villian played the preflop well by not risking their stack with a shove vs your aggression, as for the flop they're facing 2 other players on board that's possibly a draw heavy board (esp is wet) and so they should be betting QQ here, should they be shoving here? Probably not, but a good pot size bet from them is probably what they're needing to correctly do. That said, we can't be too scared of sets here (and sometimes villians shove big draws , I recently folded AA to a big re-raise on a draw heavy flop live and after analysis and villian tendency considerations, they were raising a draw).

Hand 5: I think as played, you played it fine. The 44 shove on that flop is baffling but not unheard of especially if villian had a short stack. I'd classify this as a bad beat.

Overall putting it in perspective, Hand 2 (if you were all in ahead and not going all in when obvious straight is showing) and Hand 5 are the only ones that really stand out as a bad beat. Hand 1 and 3 are rough but 30% to win it isn't really a bad bad beat. Hand 4 seems ok play wise on both ends.

So I'd advise better bankroll management so that you don't lose 20-25% of your bankroll in 4 hands.

As for those commenting about "them knowing the cards to come" or "having special software to detect the next card" that's mostly just magical thinking on their end. There's been maybe, two cases where a superuser was outright cheating from the inside (i.e. UB scandal) and even then they only knew everyone else's hole cards...not the cards to come!

Yes it does sometimes FEEL like these villians "must know" if they're shoving with any two cards but just like we might FEEL like they know, they just "FEEL" like it's their lucky time to shove. I implore anyone who really believes this kind of "they have to know!" thinking to try live 1/2 casino poker and see how often players shove with any two cards and catch miracles. Hell in the One Drop for One Million tourney last week (million dollar buy in) a pro got into a 3 way all in situation with 1010 pre flop...was behind on flop and turn, then hit a 4 (or 6 depending on suits dont recall) outer on river to knock out two players with his rivered 10. So brutal beats happen everywhere and the cards have no memory.

Do some site's RNGs operate in different manners that "might" lead to different frequencies (i.e. distribution and expected frequency is normal but seems like they get clustered together more like AA ever 221 hands on average but a player gets them 4 times in a row!) based on the RNG's mechanism, probably. Does this mean it's rigged or giving a certain player "knowledge of what's to come?" Greatly greatly unlikely. I mean I'm playing on one of the most swingy,wild, shovefest sites I've ever experienced and yet when I look at a hand sample of nearly 20,000 hands I'm getting dealt the expected cards at the expected frequencies overall, even though sometimes it feels like I lose 4 times in a row to 2% miracle rivers!.

So all this aside, welcome to poker. These beats can be maddening for sure...but BRM, solid understanding of odds/math, and just seeing the brutal beats that can happen live or at any stakes helps keep perspective. It;s a long term game.
Not 3 4 hands.
Theese 3 4 hands are just small examples.
Theese bad beats have been happening since i started playing seriously 2 yeats ago but 2 months back every session i am having bad beats
 
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You made no mistakes. It seems like you had a good read every time a player tried to get slick with you. You got it in good, and all of these folks made -ev mistakes that—you just have to believe will come back and bite them in the ass. We don’t like that word variance, and losses like these if it happened to me in one day, It would probably send me on at least a 2-3 week hiatus.

If you got the mental strength though and bankroll keep chugging along. Those bad players will pay you off sooner then later if they keep playing like that
 
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I once tilted extremely bad as well and lost my entire bank roll, a break from the game was all i needed about a week or so then get back into it. Some people play bad and win others play real good and lose. The cards you get given make a huge difference...Take a break come back and smash it !
 
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Sometimes it feels like losing all hands. Poker is a lot about self-confidence so keep playing as you do it will be fine, but be careful you will lose even more.
Good luck!
 
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Sometimes it seems to me that some players use forbidden programs. They know the finale and go All-in with a bad hand ...
For the first time I hear .. Is there such a program? just sometimes I'm also surprised at the layout of the cards .. It seems like I have an excellent pair of coins but my raise calls a guy whose cards are something like 5-4 or even happened when they called with 5-10 cards and easily moved my couples like QQ even pinched a pair of AA. ..
 
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For the first time I hear .. Is there such a program? just sometimes I'm also surprised at the layout of the cards .. It seems like I have an excellent pair of coins but my raise calls a guy whose cards are something like 5-4 or even happened when they called with 5-10 cards and easily moved my couples like QQ even pinched a pair of AA. ..


There are many programs that are not widely used, but give players precise advice on making decisions at the time of distribution. Some of them may not be identified for a long time by the security service of poker rooms, which allows players to receive an unfair advantage.
 
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Was this a low buy in tourney? I find this kind of play typical among players that play low buy in, rebuy games....lottery players.

If this was a higher buy in, he'd be a really horrible player with this kind of play.
But it happens, you get horrible players that the site bails out with absolute luck.

Started playing higher buy ins, and when possible, freezeouts. I hate rebuys. IMO, once your chips are gone in a tourney, you should not be able to get back in.
 
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you for them do not worry it in fact the case one of 20 approximately can simply cease to play a cache to try itself in tournaments
 
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Another note, this is what frustrates me about online.

So find yourself a live table at a local casino. I do this about once a month. Buy ins vary from $50 to $200. And so far, I'm ahead. Not by leaps and bounds, but made more money than I spend. Besides, I'm not doing it to make a killing, for fun.

You'll have more fun at a regular table too. And alot of times, free drinks!!
 
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One of the main things I learned here at cardschat:
- Good players take chips/money from bad players
- If you cannot win at lower stakes: expect better players at higher stakes
- If you don't win: either bad luck, or insufficient skills
 
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In past 3,4 days i have been on a ba downswing.
I have lost 20% of my bankroll just due to bad beats!
I have been first card dead for very long and i try to play as fast and safe and aggresive as possible.
But fishes get there on river.
Not on turn but river.
One player opens from utg with Q3 off i 3 bet him with Aks
He 4 bets i go all in he calls.
Flop comes AA2 turn 4 river 5.
Whattttt!!!!
Another player calls my AA big raisr with A7 and hits a runner runner straight.
I open KK player from late pos goes all in with A10 and hits an ace on river.
I get AA utg i open 8× BB.
3 players call. Flop comes 6 9 2 l.
BB shoves his 150$ into pot of 24$ and has QQ.
Rivers a Queen.
Another hand on flop i have Aj flop is AJ2.
Player with 44 raises pot i go all in he calls turns a 4.
I have lost 25% of my bankroll just due to bad beats and loose passive fishes playing wrong and getting rewarded!
:((((((((

Not 3 4 hands.
Theese 3 4 hands are just small examples.
Theese bad beats have been happening since i started playing seriously 2 yeats ago but 2 months back every session i am having bad beats

Maddeningly frustrating for sure but unfortunately it happens. I'm in the same boat lately, rebuilt my game from the ground up months ago, turned from loser online to winner online...now I can't seem to win consistently even IF i could predict the future streets on the board lol. I'll have standard streaks winning a few buy ins then have a session where I can't win even if I had all the cards in my hand it feels like. Just yesterday I sat down online, had 3 big hands that made up my losses the previous night (all against the same villian when I basically rivered boats to their rivered flushes 3 times) then came back later in night and 4 big hands wiped it all away in about 15 minutes (set over set, AA vs 74o, QQ vs 24o). I was annoyed and frustrated but also realized I could have gotten away from some spots but hey just like I ran over the player earlier with my river cards, the poker gods got me back later in the day. I mean short term variance as annoying as it is means nothing and yes short term variance can be "short term" for a few years, after all we can play poker our entire lives so a year or two is a blip. I also lately try to play at least a thousand or more hands a day to fade the variance a bit but swings still happen.

Not that it helps you but of course know that many of us go through the same frustrating short term swings.
 
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There are many programs that are not widely used, but give players precise advice on making decisions at the time of distribution. Some of them may not be identified for a long time by the security service of poker rooms, which allows players to receive an unfair advantage.
Clear. I just sometimes can not understand how the game just started and the guy's stack is already 7000-10000 $ even a couple of minutes has not passed and already this stack ..
 
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Keep playing your a-game. The results will usually come with time.
 
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