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i want to know your thoughts on why or if it is possible to struggle at micro cash games but be profitable at a higher limit. i think it's possible based on the level of players you're playing against.
 
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Is rare

the truth is a little weird what you say, it would make sense that if you are good at a higher level, you are in nl2, but it could be that there are many rivals who act stupidly without knowing and you have had a great streak of bad luck, it is rare but it can be, greetings
 
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i want to know your thoughts on why or if it is possible to struggle at micro cash games but be profitable at a higher limit. i think it's possible based on the level of players you're playing against.



If you have a relevant sample of hands on both limits, you will see that microstakes are much easier to play.

A thought experiment, keep in mind this is simplified a lot:
I allways liked the following example a lot: you're siting in a casino at 3 clock in the morning and notice a new player sitting down. Player has a stack of 100bb is first to act and shoves his entire stack. It folds to you in the bb and you are looking down on Q9s. Hold or fold? Now we have 2 potential players. A the drunk multimillionaire B the regular. Who is easier to play against? In this case we know quite certain that the regular will never do this without atleast the 15% range of the best cards he has. Therefore we have an fold. Now vs the drunk millionaire we most likely have a call, since for all we know he could be doing this with any 2 cards. So you see, that even though we are facing a worse player, we have a hard time putting him on a range of hands, BUT this doesn't make our decisions harder. For instance a regular will be jamming a polarized range here quite likely. Thus half of his range is garbage and the other half will crush us. Therefore we will have a ez time thinking trough a hand like a regular does, but putting a drunk maniac on a range, gl with that. Now who do you think will make us more money? The drunk guy or the regular?

Also keep rake in mind. A lot of players would be profitable if the rake wasn't as high. This doesn't apply to Nl2 on Stars though, the have pretty low rake there.
 
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It is delusional to think, you can beat games at a higher limit against much better opponents, if you struggle to beat complete beginners and gamblers in the lower end of the micros. It just require patience and emotional control, and if you dont have that, you are going to struggle at higher limits as well. Of course over a small sample like 5.000 hands anything is possible, which might explain, why some people THINK, they are doing better at higher limits.
 
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I mean it is kinda possible, f.e. if you're leveling yourself and the opponents are playing mostly without thinking of your range. This can lead to situations of bluffing too much, because you think you are representing a range, but opponent dont even think about your range. But then that means that you are not adjusting to your opponents and you probably wouldn't stay too long on the higher limits.
 
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At a higher limit, there is a fear of large bets and, accordingly, large losses. This is a psychological effect and logical decisions must be made carefully. At low limits, you can easily play on the stack and are not afraid to lose money.
 
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at the high limits you play the game with a little better than the micro and you would try to get sus tqh if you got used to playing the micro and perform go to the big fish :)
in my opinion, it is better to gain experience and then climb up
 
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It’s more difficult to determine a player’s range on a microlimte. And the number of players is larger and is not optimal.
 
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If you have a relevant sample of hands on both limits, you will see that microstakes are much easier to play.

A thought experiment, keep in mind this is simplified a lot:
I allways liked the following example a lot: you're siting in a casino at 3 clock in the morning and notice a new player sitting down. Player has a stack of 100bb is first to act and shoves his entire stack. It folds to you in the bb and you are looking down on Q9s. Hold or fold? Now we have 2 potential players. A the drunk multimillionaire B the regular. Who is easier to play against? In this case we know quite certain that the regular will never do this without atleast the 15% range of the best cards he has. Therefore we have an fold. Now vs the drunk millionaire we most likely have a call, since for all we know he could be doing this with any 2 cards. So you see, that even though we are facing a worse player, we have a hard time putting him on a range of hands, BUT this doesn't make our decisions harder. For instance a regular will be jamming a polarized range here quite likely. Thus half of his range is garbage and the other half will crush us. Therefore we will have a ez time thinking trough a hand like a regular does, but putting a drunk maniac on a range, gl with that. Now who do you think will make us more money? The drunk guy or the regular?

Also keep rake in mind. A lot of players would be profitable if the rake wasn't as high. This doesn't apply to Nl2 on Stars though, the have pretty low rake there.

are you prone to more bad beats at lower limits if 4 players are always staying in the hand?
 
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Rare

that is rare, what you say, it would make sense if you are good at a higher level, so, it is rare but it can be!:p
 
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that is rare, what you say, it would make sense if you are good at a higher level, so, it is rare but it can be!:p8
 
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are you prone to more bad beats at lower limits if 4 players are always staying in the hand?

If you want to put it that way yes. It's not like fish are less random at higher stakes, it's just most people that have so much money don't gamble. Or are atleast that eager to somewhat understand the game. If you were sitting with 3whales and 2 nits at a nl1k table, welcome back to Nl2.

But there is allways a solution to everythings a player/ table does. If you feel people limp/call to lot pre, increase you're sizing. If you feel people will pay anything postflop start betting bigger etc. A bet-beat is only what you define it to be. And for me it usually starts in the range off quads vs full-house etc. But you got to keep in mind that you're AA fe. is still a favorite preflop. If you loose with it because you make mistakes or get outplayed, that is youre fault.

Improvise. Adapt. Overcome :D
 
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Micro stakes are profitable by multi tabling. If you’re play just 1 or 2 at a time there’s large spans of variance you could experience. Micro stakes can be very profitable because of this variance.
 
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I think that at the micro-limits a lot of players play poorly and unpredictably. And at high stakes there are constant good players. The tactics of the game with high stakes are slightly different from micro limits.
 
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Cash is difficult to play, for me you have to have 10 times more than the maximum on the table to play, so you can make entries when in one unfortunate hand you do not stay out, that gives you the possibility of continuing to play, I think so
 
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Consider that maybe it can be profitable, but you should better participate in tournaments, because there are some tournaments that do not cost a lot of money, however, you can win a lot, you can also practice your style of play and prepare for bigger competitions.
 
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