What do these statistics tell you?

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AgaBoogaBoo

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I play on pokerstars and requested history of my last 2000 hands, been playing in the .01/.02 buy in NL rooms.

Hold'em (Real Money):

2000 hands played and saw flop:
- 263 times out of 386 while in small blind (68%)
- 297 times out of 397 while in big blind (75%)
- 627 times out of 1217 in other positions (52%)
- a total of 1187 times out of 2000 (59%)

Pots won at showdown - 191 out of 393 (49%)
Pots won without showdown - 218
I started with $20 or so, got up to $30, down to $15, up to $20, wasted $6.60 in a few heads up games, then down to $10, back up a little, and finally down to less than $5.

I had put in money in the past and this round was better, but I don't like that I'm losing money. I haven't read Super System 2 yet and so I plan on doing that next, and picking up Caro's book to help with playing in person.

Does anyone have advice for me? What kind of stats do the more advanced players get?

In person, at a table of 4 or 5 people, I can usually end up in the top 2 positions, but I'm horrible at heads up play and usually get raped... nothing short of it. I need to work on that a bit.
 
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AgaBoogaBoo

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59% flops seen is too many
I'll work on that - the percentage used to be even higher actually and it's come down, but not enough.

What kind of percentage do you see the flops?
 
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phatjose

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I just finished a session at a full ring table (everyone else left :() where I saw 26% of the flops. Granted it was only 90 hands, but I ended up winning 4 of my 5 showdowns and 7 pots without showdown. Given that I saw 8 flops from the BB, I would guess that without everyone else checking to me, my flops seen would be closer to 20%.
 
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I would estimate somewhere in the 40%s but I'm a super-loose player.
 
OzExorcist

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Are you playing short-handed, and do those stats include the heads up games? Both of those factors will have a big influence on the amount of times you see the flop.

Even so, unless there's a lot of heads up in those stats, then 59% is a lot of flops. If you're playing ring games then you don't have rising blinds to worry about so you can afford to sit back and wait for a hand a bit more.
 
Insomniac_1006

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well, my brain feels like it is exploding, so I really shouldn't weigh in
 
NineLions

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It's tough to gauge for the 01/02 tables, and yes, it makes a big difference whether you're at 9 max or 6 max as to how many times you should be seeing the flop.

9 max 35% would be loose generally, most players would aim for a TAG style which is easier to play, which would mean maybe 17-27% of flops seen (most people think in terms of VP$IP, which is generally lower than % of flops seen because of the times you get to see the flop for free from the BB).

49% of showdowns won is a little low; it should be around 55% or so. Lower and you're calling down too much, higher and you're getting bet out of winning hands.


But this is all based on assumptions of sample sizes of greater than 10,000 hands. Even still, it's a safe assumption that you're seeing too many flops for your own good.
 
aliengenius

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Saw flop not in blinds 627 times out of 1217 in other positions (52%) = very loose.
Pots won without showdown - 218 = very passive.

Very loose/very passive = classic fish. In fact, my PT rules would probably assign you the "donater" tag.

Sorry :(.
 
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