This is a discussion on TT from the BB 200bb deep within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; hi guys
Here a hand from todays game. I'm curious how you would have played that spot.
UTG: regish-tight/passiv I saw some good plays from him.
River:6♣($1.09, 2 players - Hero: $5.09, UTG: $3.80)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.78, 1 fold, Uncalled bet of $0.78 returned to UTG
Total Pot:$1.09 UTG wins $1.05
I thought about 5b/folding... I did think about donk/fold the flop... Turn, bet the gutshot... but didn't have the guts.
His 4b is kinda big and I'm not sure if its for fold equity or value...
If I was him with Kx or KK I would have checked behind against me for sure and just wait for my turn bet, same with 99, turn JJ probable also, with all the crap probably also but position... oro
My table image was kinda aggressive I guess, and I feared he could be trapping, like seen before a couple of times.
Smells a lot like Queens to me. I think he is definitely 4betting for value here. You are in the BB and can easily just flat his initial raise, yet you 3bet him, showing strength. He's not going to 4bet here as a bluff(at least he shouldn't) so you can put him at the top of his range. I'd narrow it down to AA, AK, QQ, 99, and JJ based on how he played post-flop. Possibly you can find a fold pre-flop given the fact he is a tighter player and hasn't 4bet to this point, and you aren't getting great odds to flop a set. But if you add AQ and 77-99 to his range I think a call is fine.
I would've flatted him pre to close the action and try to hit my set. Villain is tight passive, yet he opened UTG. I think his range is something like AQ+, JJ+. I get the 3-bet, but when villain 4-bets you, I think you have to fold.
Thanks for your answers. I think your right and i got pretty fixated on his 16% openings from utg and that he already folded a couple of times against my 3bets and at that moment I thought more about that he is fighting back and that my TT are good enough to flat because we are both deep. (Missing the obvious and overvaluing the the sample size)
His numbers look more TAG than passive to me but why are we flatting his first 4 bet from OOP? We aren't getting good enough odds to set mine IMO. Luckily he checked down to give us all the opportunities in the world to catch up. He may have been trying to induce with a monster though so maybe it's best we missed. I don't mind flatting pre or 3 betting but against a TAG or a Tight Passive I just don't see how calling the 4 bet this light can be long term profitable, especially OOP.
Reasons for 3betting a tight passive UTG open with TT from the BB ? it's not a squeeze spot and were 200bb deep. If you think about this type of villains 4betting range and flatting range vs a 3bet from these psotions TT is not in good shape vs either. Just flat pre and keep villains range as wide as possible it's not a spot we really want to bloat the pot that quickly this deep vs this villain type.