This is a discussion on Tough spot with KK within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; Holdem - 9 players
MP: 30.12 BB
MP+1: 53.22 BB
MP+2: 21.45 BB
CO: 26.68 BB
BTN: 34.11 BB
Hero (SB): 31.05 BB
BB: 42.55 BB
I would probably have shoved preflop. Your stack is not really big enough to three bet big, get called, and still play post flop OOP. If I had position, sure I'd just threebet that minraiser.
As played I will just check and fold.
Yes that's weak, but I would still have 20ish blinds remaining. How much are you really gonna cbet? Let's say you bet, and you get called. Then what?
You are gonna have to bet at least half pot to rep a big ace. That leaves you with 10 BBs and you may get called then you will have to check the turn cuz if he calls you on the flop he's gonna call you on the turn if you go all in.
To make things easier for myself, like I said I woulda shoved pre.
You're kind of in a position of either jamming all in or Fold. You can bet but you're just committing yourself to calling all in. Your stack is short and the preflop bet didn't help. Checking is just dumb
KK to start and the flop is a dud,
Rather check and fold to a bet.
That way you remain in the game and continue playing.
At times you get cards that will destroy you any which way you play.
Lets assume you have KK and you go all in and get called by another player with AQ and the flop comes as mentioned by you.
You cant hide anywhere, in which case any other style of play would give you same result.
First of all, you don't have any room to make a c-bet that leaves you with chips. It's basically a shove or check on the flop.
You should be more worried about Ax hands then flushes! Personally, would check it and then fold to bets.
Reason behind it is that it is very hard to bluff on this board so whoever bets, should at least have a pocket pair with one diamond (semi bluff), against which you are only 55% favorite to win. Other then that, AX with a diamond can bet this board, but no bluffs.
Basically, checking it makes it likely to get to the river if all the villains missed. If you decide to shove on the flop, you will only get called by hands that are crushing you or flipping against you.
Other then that, bet size pre-flop is good, you shouldn't shove with KK and 30BBs stack as IMO you lose a lot of value (you will get way more folds then calls if you shove).
just check/fold. You have too shallow stack to even try to represent an ace what's also pretty bad idea because you play vs recreational players + mono board. You have 20bbs left, pot is 34.5 bbs. Just save your chips.
i dont believe the villian has Ax because of the preflop 3bet call. Only AJ maybe. Probably he has aj-kq-qt-qj-jt-tt-99-88-77.
I would nearly pot size bet in flop. if i got reraised by a diamond or a set, i instant fold or if he calls, i check mostly turns.
I think check/folding is very close to that. But you should polarize your hand those spots.
Your post doesn't make sense. I seriously doubt that hands like QT/QJ/77/88/99 would be calling a 3-bet in this situation. Also, he can't bet the pot on the flop because the pot is 34BB and he only has about 20BB left after his pre-flop 3-bet. His only choice at this point is to check/fold (basically give up) or go all-in and hope that nobody called his 3-bet with something like AK/AQ. Did I misunderstand your post ?