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I have recently (due to having some free time during the week) pushed from sng's and mtt's to cash. Higher than I have before with cash at NL20 (which I believe is 0.10/0.20?) Anyway. After having a few really good weeks and being up over $400 from $50 (which I have now invested), I , in the last week am down $120.
Right now I feel like I cannot recover this, but I am sure (and I have lost before just not this quick cos 0.10/0.20 compared to 0.01/0.02) that I just should have a week off?. Or should I just quit all together?
Just moaning really, I wont quit, but any tips?Apart from the obvious, drop to 0.05/0.10 and start again.

Not happy . :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
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The answer you don't want to hear is the obvious one, go down in level, go back up your bench and then go back up in level
 
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Yeah, going to have to drop down stakes to maintain BR. Might go through some HH to see if you are missing value or over playing some hands. Slow and steady seems to be the best BRM.
 
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I'd echo the post above, looking at the hand history to see why you lost (bad play or variance) would be the place to start.

The sooner I understand my defeats, the sooner I'm at peace with them.
 
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Take a break from poker. Few days/week, helped me a bit.
 
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Very easy to get tilted in cash and blow your bankroll. At least in a tournament you'll whack it in once or twice and either be back in your game or out. With cash when you're tilted you'll just keep reloading until you're broke. It's just too tempting to stay at a table and try and bust the player who took your money. Probably the best advice would be to take a break and maybe play tournaments or sit and go for a while.
 
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dude in my opinion these cash games are just to steal money if you don't really identify with this modality or enter why you lose a lot of money, it is not tilte and that is a very lucky and blufe game. I've won more as well as losing in the cash game!
 
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I have recently (due to having some free time during the week) pushed from sng's and mtt's to cash. Higher than I have before with cash at NL20 (which I believe is 0.10/0.20?) Anyway. After having a few really good weeks and being up over $400 from $50 (which I have now invested), I , in the last week am down $120.
Right now I feel like I cannot recover this, but I am sure (and I have lost before just not this quick cos 0.10/0.20 compared to 0.01/0.02) that I just should have a week off?. Or should I just quit all together?
Just moaning really, I wont quit, but any tips?Apart from the obvious, drop to 0.05/0.10 and start again.

Not happy . :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

How many hands are we talking about?

Tilt is normal, but you need to develop strategies on how to deal with it. There is no Copy Paste solution that works for everyone. Also there is various forms of it.

Things that helped me:
Get a routine aka play x amount of hands and dont chase wins or losses. Prepare yourself mentally before starting a session. Track your results via a HUD and review your sessions.
Tilt is something within humans and usually a result of getting coolered or missplaying. Now getting coolered is smth we cant avoid, missplaying on the other hand is down to you.

In fact Cash have much less variance than MTTs and SnGs alltough the field is tougher generally speaking.


Also, check YT. Coaches like Evan Jarvis have decent content for free over there.
 
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This is exactly what I am doing. The number of hands was relatively low, around 1000 so I dropped stakes and I seem to be 'leveling' out.
It was a combination of rubbish cards and stupid mistakes caused partially from impatience. I think anyway, after looking at the hand history. I have regrouped and reread a book or 2 and go from there.

I wrote that as I was about to throw the PC through the window so it sounds a bit, err, wild maybe.

Thanks for the advice though ;)

Its not like we are talking thousands either and BR is still intact, all be it partial but it can be made back up.
 
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This is exactly what I am doing. The number of hands was relatively low, around 1000 so I dropped stakes and I seem to be 'leveling' out.
It was a combination of rubbish cards and stupid mistakes caused partially from impatience. I think anyway, after looking at the hand history. I have regrouped and reread a book or 2 and go from there.

I wrote that as I was about to throw the PC through the window so it sounds a bit, err, wild maybe.

Thanks for the advice though ;)

Its not like we are talking thousands either and BR is still intact, all be it partial but it can be made back up.

Dont worry about what happens within 1k hands. There is a lot of variance involved over such small samples. Check this tool https://www.primedope.com/poker-variance-calculator/ to get a feel on it. Read the instructions below to get accurate results.

GL at the tables
 
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Try to play tight quiet poker, do not go into difficult situations, without extra aggression on the preflop. Try to get the situation under control:)
 
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Tip don't play angry or you'll just give your money away ..
 
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when I have such bankroll falls, I take a break, analyze all the distributions where the big banks were lost. To grow in limits, you need to work more on the game.
 
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So you were up over 400 and then lost 120? So you're still up 280? It sounds like your profits took a hit but not really your bank roll!
Eg... I'm saying to myself at 100 dollars I'm going to play 5 dollar cash games (which gives me 20 buy ins) then I win 60 dollars on top now I have 160.... then I have a horrible losng week and lose 40 dollars.... my bankroll is now 120 which is still enough for the 5 dollar games... the question about going down in stakes is now not about my bankroll (because I'm still bankrolled for it) but about my relative skill compared to my opponents! Were the winnings due to running hot and sucking out or just being the better player? Was the lose because I stopped sucking out or because they started to suck out on me? Was it negative variance or just bad play!

Should you move down to combat this? I dunno you're still rolled for it! I think you're doing the right thing by looking at your db and look at each hand and ask yourself questions and calculate what the odds were of all the all ins!
Were you outplayed or just on tilt? Or were you just crushed by the river?
 
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I have recently (due to having some free time during the week) pushed from sng's and mtt's to cash. Higher than I have before with cash at NL20 (which I believe is 0.10/0.20?) Anyway. After having a few really good weeks and being up over $400 from $50 (which I have now invested), I , in the last week am down $120.
Right now I feel like I cannot recover this, but I am sure (and I have lost before just not this quick cos 0.10/0.20 compared to 0.01/0.02) that I just should have a week off?. Or should I just quit all together?
Just moaning really, I wont quit, but any tips?Apart from the obvious, drop to 0.05/0.10 and start again.

Not happy . :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

This is a very serious subject mate, and should be trated with all care and respect.
If you know that you are tilted and you continue playing "trying to recover", you should stop playing poker, immediately, and I mean it: stay at least one week out of the tables, don't even think about poker or go to the forum: release your mind from the tension and self-oppression, this is the cause of death for a poker player.
Well, this is the problem of fast bankroll management: it will lead to tilt whether you like it or not because the emotion of grinding up fast is very high.
With so high adrenalise as this, with you moving from $ 50 to $ 400, it is never strange to me that you have tilted after losing a couple of buy-ins.
First thing, when you realize you are losing too much at one particular stake, move one level down, always, forget about pride, forget about your goals, we must have mental health above all, and if we keep losing fast, we are going down anyway, and sometimes it would be much harder to build another bankroll so fast, specially if you have a tilt as lose 10 buy-ins or more in one single session of one, two hours for example.
There is nothing to be recovered, poker is game of variance, and sometimes we are going to lose a lot in sequence, and we must be prepared for that: if we are playing fine and losing, okay this is variance.
If we are not playing fine, we are going to lose always, and this is not variance, this is psychological control, which is the soul, the core, everything of the poker game revolves around having a very solid emotional basis, to support all of the hard situations we are going to put ourselves in.
For the way you speak it doesn't look you have played too much in your life. The variance at SNGs and MTTs is preposterous compared to the variance of the Cash Games, even Zooom.
So if you believe that your variance is too high it is because you haven't played yet one million hands in your life. Do not worry, in one million hands a lot of things can happen:
For example, even a player with a winrate of 3 BB / 100 at 100 NLHE, can/might lose for a sequence of 1 million hands, and we know that 99% of players that are making 3 BB / 100 at 100 NLHE are not the Nanonokos, but they are being profitable enough, perhaps even to live playing poker.
Consider this, of course this would happen only in 1 out of 500 players, but it is possible and sure there is this unlucky player that stays 1 millions hands having a cash downswing: can you sustain this pressure?
Yep, stay out of the tables, clear your mind and when you return, come thinking mostly about bankroll management, which is the soul key for a clear mind as the master Evan Jarvis always says on its videos.

Regards;

Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa
 
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At first, it's best to take a break for two weeks.
Then use a table that is two steps lower than your usual table. Try to have a game without bluff and use GTO strategy. I also had losses that I thought would never be worse But I continued and made a profit in the long time.
 
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Take ur time off, relax and come back with new forces
 
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It happens to everyone. Best way to counter tilt is doing something else that makes you happy and completely taking your mind off of what makes you tilted.
 
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No shame in going down a level to preserve and rebuild a bankroll. But when you're tilted it's good to take a break. Doesn't have to be a long break, just long enough for you to refocus so that you'll play solid poker.
 
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Going down in stakes is a good way in restoring confidence in such situations. After big losses I sometimes drop down 2 levels or even to the lowest nl2. I keep studying and find out if I made mistakes in the hands I lost and reassess my strategy.

Then you can apply the learned things at low risk at lower stakes and also reduce tilt by losing much less if it doesn't work. And I then gradually move up after a few days of recovery, couple of days per stake until I feel comfortable enough to tackle my usual stakes again.

But yes, as people said already: 1k handa is not much, it happens. Fix your leaks, keep up the discipline and move down if needed, then back up with new confidence and you have your money back in no time, and more ��
 
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I have recently (due to having some free time during the week) pushed from sng's and mtt's to cash. Higher than I have before with cash at NL20 (which I believe is 0.10/0.20?) Anyway. After having a few really good weeks and being up over $400 from $50 (which I have now invested), I , in the last week am down $120.
Right now I feel like I cannot recover this, but I am sure (and I have lost before just not this quick cos 0.10/0.20 compared to 0.01/0.02) that I just should have a week off?. Or should I just quit all together?
Just moaning really, I wont quit, but any tips?Apart from the obvious, drop to 0.05/0.10 and start again.

Not happy . :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Hey DMAlv,

I had a student ask me similar question and gave him a nice long thought out response on my stream last night. Here are the highlights in video form, I hope you'll find some solid benefit in them, and know that you can return to these videos anytime you find yourself in a similar spot in the future (or maybe you'll just follow the plan so it never happens again!)


[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyUOQ91cpy8&list=PLBrNnyWekagO8glFoWrxmgzgeao-RfRDz[/ame]

 
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Just try to breath, meditate and try to understand how you play the game by watching replays
 
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Hey DMAlv,

I had a student ask me similar question and gave him a nice long thought out response on my stream last night. Here are the highlights in video form, I hope you'll find some solid benefit in them, and know that you can return to these videos anytime you find yourself in a similar spot in the future (or maybe you'll just follow the plan so it never happens again!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlZnBEX3NOA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyUOQ91cpy8&list=PLBrNnyWekagO8glFoWrxmgzgeao-RfRDz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of-owVCW6kI

I am LITERALLY being coached by Evan Jarvis... Thanks, I will check out the vids ;)
 
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Thanks to everyone for the replies, I have taken ALL of the info on board. I know the original sounded like I had started playing that night and I am new to poker relatively but it was just written REALLY badly due to my mood. Either way all the posts have helped, at least mentally. The game might take a bit longer to fix but thats just poker eh..

Again thanks to everyone..:icon_salu:ciao::party:

:congrats:
 
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Simply move down to lower stakes or if you have the confidence invest more money.
 
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