This is a discussion on Study books or hire a coach? within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; I have been a losing player for most of my life. In total, I estimate I have lost about $20000. Perhaps about $5000 in live
I have been a losing player for most of my life. In total, I estimate I have lost about $20000. Perhaps about $5000 in live casinos in total and $15000 online.
I now feel that I am on the cusp of being good enough to earn more playing poker than I can at work. There are some things I need to change, but basically, if I get $100 in my account, I will usually run it up to about $300. Typically it goes down after that because I play for too long, lose focus, start calling 3-bets that I shouldn't call, and start forgetting about position.
A week ago I deposited $100. I ran it up to $350, and then the next day threw some of it away. Then with $30 left yesterday, I ran it back up to $350 mainly playing $25 zoom before I decided to take a shot at 1/2 and hit a bot of a heater (flopped quads vs turned set, turned set of Aces vs flopped set) and got to $470. In my account this morning I had a nice $730. Often, I more or less break even after tens of thousands of hands and paying something like $500-$1000 in rake. (full disclosure, I did lose $150 of that this evening-a bit drunk)
I believe that if I just slightly improve my game by a few percentage points, and I get to a rewards tier that gives me 50% cashback rather than my current 20%, then I could comfortably make a living from $25NL ZOOM/RUSH AND CASH, and could probably do the same in $50NL. I am not sure about 100NL. Although I crushed last night, I recognize a heater when i see one.
Because I have not had any coaching, I feel that I could benefit enormously from just a few simple tips. The reason I think this is once on leakbuster or something like that, I saw that my Small Blind was my worst losing position and it was a horrendous figure. I looked into it and realized I should play less hands and raise more often from the SB. As soon as I did this I started winning from the small blind. I thought, if such a simple piece of advice can save me hundreds of dollars a month, what else might there be that I can easily fix.
I have fundamentals of no limt hold`em, which seems good but I tend not to do much study. I will continue to read it.
I feel like I should get a coach and see how it goes. But what can I expect? Do we review hands or play live. I think even the process of reviewing hands would improve my winrate because I would be less inclined to do stupid things if I had to reflect on them with someone later. I saw some coaches for $50- is that going to be helpful? Is the value for a $50 coach much less than a $150 coach?
Part of me thinks that being staked in some way would be great. Perhaps I could get coaching lessons in exchange for percentage of my wins? So, no money needs to be paid by the coach. Is this something a coach would do? I guess they would jump at the chance if they thought I was a winning player. Because while making them money as a winning player, they are helping me to improve and make even more money for us. I guess 5% -10% of any winning session would be good payment. Whilst I don't think I need an investor, it would be nice to have someone on board with me. Coaches would be super helpful, but also knowing I have someone that I respect and who is helping me to improve and depending on me to show them some return on their investment in me would also help me to play my best.
One thing which I definitely need to improve upon is 3-betting because I only do it occasionally. My stats say 3 percent.
Any recommendations? What do you think I should do from here out?
I'm just going to answer the only question in this post at face value. Yes there are coaching for profit schemes in poker offered by a couple of different organisations. Just a google search away in fact. None that I know of stake students though.
Books are typically cheaper than coaches, but coaches can often see your problems where with a book you need to figure out what you are doing wrong. Another thing you can do that is free is post hands and let others critique them.
I used to send my tourney hand histories to a couple of my coaches and they would review my play and tell me where they would make different plays.
basically, if I get $100 in my account, I will usually run it up to about $300. Typically it goes down after that because I play for too long, lose focus, start calling 3-bets that I shouldn't call, and start forgetting about position.
Analyzing 'how good' you are, includes how disciplined you are. If discipline is a problem - you could try books on the mental game of poker and tilt. A coach won't really provide any benefit for mental game stuff.
You could try,
The Mental Game of Poker
The Mental Game of Poker 2
If you have huge mental leaks where you lose two buyins, then you need to address those before you address other aspects of your game where a coach might be of benefit.
Most video training sites will also have a series of lectures on the mental game of poker and tilt.
Since you are investing money in poker, I would try a coach. There are many coaching sites and you can lurk around and see if you feel it is a place for you. I have had multiple coaches. Some were great and some I could hear them clicking around on their keyboard while the session was going on, meaning they are doing something else on the time I am paying for, so that sucked.
Reviews of coaches and asking on forums like this one will also probably be beneficial. If you have a coach in mind, see what others think of him/her.
Books are always great. Taking part in challenges and HH discussion as well. Off-table review a must but you know that. Mental game of poker, as mentioned, a great book.
There are sites that coach you and you don't pay but give a % of your winnings, but I don't know who does that these days.
Good luck in any case.
Facts are empowering. Even when the facts are discouraging, not knowing or acknowledging the facts is worse.
It will definitely be better with a coach. First, the coach will show you all your weaknesses in poker. In books, everything is not always clear, you have to spend more time understanding the book. The coach is more expensive, but the time spent is much less.
I think it depends of how much money do you want to invest in this, because good coaches are expensive, but in my opinion it's a better option than books in your case. On the other hand, even the most expensive poker book doesn't cost much money.
It actually depends on your learning capability. If you are the type of person who learn through reading, you should just refer to the books you have and save yourself from hiring a coach that can be expensive. However, if you are the type of person who learns more with the help of other people, you should hire one. It will also be easier but expensive at the same time. What do you prefer?
Depending on how much money you have and the stakes you will play, buying books will be cheaper and more profitable than hire a coach, however the time is the question, how long do you want to take to achieve the results? Short time? Coach´s alternative seens better to these cases.