Shoving bottom set on 3 same suit flop

[begley01]

What's the deal with this? People will 4-5 bet me all-in when they hit bottom set on boards with 3 of the same suit. Each time I had the nut flush or 2nd nut flush. I'm wondering whats the thought process of going all-in on these boards when I have a solid table image? Do people really think I will 4bet them with top pair and a nut flush draw or something?

PS. I have been knocked out of a bunch of tourneys lately like this, even with a good size chip stack.

Flush should win 65% of the time

Sorry if this sounds like a rant

 

[cardplayer52]

IMO its the 3-4 bet thats not allin that slows me down when i got the set. i find most people are likely to push w/ the draw not w/the made flush. but pending how many chips i got in already i may decide i can't get away from the hand and push. there is a whole range of hands a would consider before i shove. i would always consider an A high flush draw w/a pair or an over pair w/a flush draw too. just tough to get away from a set sometimes.

 

[Bren]

Like all other cases, it really depends on the situation.
Table image, position and such.
Overall, if I have bottom set on a suited flop, I might want to push all in to protect the pot. I think that most of the time my opponent won't have flopped the flush, and in many cases, he would've flopped a flush draw.
So I don't want to give him the draw and I'm all in with my set.

 

[Divebitch]

Do people really think I will 4bet them with top pair and a nut flush draw or something?

Yes, they most certainly do. In fact, they'll think that you have a pair or 2, and are trying to pull them off a flush draw while trying to represent a made flush.

Like all other cases, it really depends on the situation.
Table image, position and such.
Overall, if I have bottom set on a suited flop, I might want to push all in to protect the pot. I think that most of the time my opponent won't have flopped the flush, and in many cases, he would've flopped a flush draw.
So I don't want to give him the draw and I'm all in with my set.

This would be pretty much exactly my answer. Sometimes you get burned. But if it's just 1 or 2 in the hand, I'm thinking you don't have it. If this was Omaha, I fold instantly. But different question. Anyway Begley, you talk about your solid table image. A standard raise with top pair and a nut flush draw would still be a solid play, IMO.

 

[widowmaker89]

First of all dont worry about your table image unless you play higher stakes than I think you do, people just dont pay attention. Second if you arent raising with a pair and nut flush draw you should.

You mention 5 betting all in, either you are not raising enough or you are playing in incredibly deep tournys that I am not sure exist.

 

[zachvac]

First of all dont worry about your table image unless you play higher stakes than I think you do, people just dont pay attention. Second if you arent raising with a pair and nut flush draw you should.

You mention 5 betting all in, either you are not raising enough or you are playing in incredibly deep tournys that I am not sure exist.

This, I still don't get how there can be a 5-bet all-in but getting a set all-in on a monotone flop is pretty standard assuming you're not like 200+ bbs deep.

 

[begley01]

5 bet is not common but it has happened in a SnG with 20 chip blinds and sometimes in cash games when people are 100 BB's deep. I might see the turn in the future to see if the board pairs. However if 4th same suit comes, villain might not pay me off.

 

[Caseace48]

I'd say shipping it with a set showing a single suited board is a pretty standard play, even with 4 bets especially at the micro-stakes level. As you move up maybe not as much so but definitely in most cases.

PS. Begley your quote is amazing