QQ vs AK. preflop all in?

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assuming that opponent have AKo and we have QQ. will you call the all in made by opponent?
which is the better option here. Fold or call?

I know its not possible to narrow down opponents range to just AK. still like to know if calling on AK is right decision or wrong?
 
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assuming that opponent have AKo and we have QQ. will you call the all in made by opponent?
which is the better option here. Fold or call?

I know its not possible to narrow down opponents range to just AK. still like to know if calling on AK is right decision or wrong?
I would call. It's gonna be a close one. If there wasn't other players in the pot, I would call for sure. Take care ;)
 
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It depends on how tight we think opponent is 3 bet / 4 betting.

If we know opponent has AK and we have QQ it's a slam dunk call unless we're in a satellite or huge ICM considerations are in play.
 
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assuming that opponent have AKo and we have QQ. will you call the all in made by opponent?
which is the better option here. Fold or call?

I know its not possible to narrow down opponents range to just AK. still like to know if calling on AK is right decision or wrong?


So you are saying we have QQ and our opponent has AKo do we fold or call? we are 57% favorite. of course we want that race.
 
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Of course you need to call. The fact that the opponent AK is just a guess. You have QQ. This side can be any bluff, but you are talking about the assumption.
 
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PokerCruncher-Advanced-iphone V.11.5.1

(equity, Win, Tie)
Player 1: 55.9% 55.7% 0.42% {QQ}
Player 2: 44.1% 43.9% 0.42% {AKs, AKo}

There’s a bigger picture to making sure we often use QQ and AK as value hands in 3B/4B pots. We need the value combos to balance any light 3B/4B’s ranges we have. Otherwise we don’t have enough hands to defend with.

This is from a balancing point of view. Vs imbalance 3B ranges (QQ+, AK) we can make the correct exploitative play.

Also AK has great removal to hands that crush us, making it more likely that villain is 3Betting the weaker part of their range. QQ doesn’t remove AK.

Any scenario vs 99% of players were we can narrow down a range means there’s at least been a 3B. By that point pot odds will be a factor.

Pot 1.5b(blinds) 100bb effective
V mp rfi 3bb
Hero btn 3B’s 9bb
V 4B’s 22bb

Pot 43.5bb, call 22bb, our pot odds 25%.

QQ equity vs QQ+, AK is 40% so we have a clearly profitable call, in practice seeing a flop might not be great though. We see an overcard fairly often that can put villain into the lead, plus if villain has any bluffing range there’s a nightmare chance we might be forced to fold the best hand after investing so much. Which would be a disaster for our ev.

A push is likely better, it generates some fold equity. AA and KK never fold but some villains might fold AK here. Denying any combos of AK there huge slice of equity is great for us.

There’s a fairly simple ev calc for these spots. Look up splitsuits ev videos. Pushing here with this equity is +25bb I think if I remember right? (Been a while) and that’s without any fold equity or possible JJ calling.
 
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Would the advise vary if in a live cash game? How comfortable would you all feel calling a short stack all-in with AK against who has been playing reasonably tight?
 
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The shorter the stack the more comfortable I am! The tighter the player the less comfortable I am.

So it come down to degrees. Extremely tight player 20bb I’m cold calling an open shove.

Same player 75bb deep I’m probably not. Again it’s likely there’s a potential 3B/4B scenario involves so the better the pot odds the more likely I am to call.
 
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Thanks for the feedback

my Kings have been getting busted on AQ pre-flop all in calls; wanted to ask when in similar situations I'm uncomfortable with AK
 
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Gabe another question

Why does your profile say aspiring when you have been a member since August?


Also, your posting has such concise language. Do you play, live and online. and what are your thoughts on gameplay regarding micro stakes and freerolls?
 
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Would the advise vary if in a live cash game? How comfortable would you all feel calling a short stack all-in with AK against who has been playing reasonably tight?


This is a completely different question. Depends on how short stacked, and how tight has villain been playing. If I feel like I'm ahead of villains range which with AK against a tight player is not often then probably not. AKo is behind to all pocket pairs So I'm likely going to be behind, however, short..... I'm more likely to get it in than if I had a healthy stack. There are a lot of variables that go into this decision.
 
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Why does your profile say aspiring when you have been a member since August?


Also, your posting has such concise language. Do you play, live and online. and what are your thoughts on gameplay regarding micro stakes and freerolls?



I haven’t played live for a while. I’m not sure about the aspiring, I use Tapatalk for forums, I’m in study groups and Facebook groups so I don’t really concentrate on one forum. Maybe my posts are a bit low.

I don’t play free rolls bud. And the microstakes gameplay is still very abc’y or fishy. Exploiting is the best way to beat it with that exploit regularly being to tighten up.

How do you learn the game?
 
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It would not be a hand like AK is very promising
 
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assuming that opponent have AKo and we have QQ. will you call the all in made by opponent?
which is the better option here. Fold or call?

I know its not possible to narrow down opponents range to just AK. still like to know if calling on AK is right decision or wrong?

QQ is always call against AK i u know that...if u don t go all in QQ ...then what u go
 
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the easy part: it's a coin flip!
the difficult part: when (not) to play a coin flip?
 
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You can put this in equilab and I'm pretty sure qq will win in the long run. It's a call everytime
 
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You will always have the numbers to call this if you 100% put your opponent on ak. We are only afraid of AA, KK here obviously, so there are very little situations where we wouldn't want to go all-in (ICM/ maybe MTT Bubble/satellite bubble?). If you're short stacked, easy call with a fun sweat. If you're deep -stacked, easy call with a long-run +EV.
 
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I already affraid to play good hands after a lot bad beats and just push with close eyes
 
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if you know or imagine that your opponent is with AK and you have QQ, the call is a profitable move in the long run, so you should always call.
 
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It depends a lot on the situation, the number of blind people, etc. I prefer to see the flop with the same hand ... see what happens for 5 cards, the chance to hit your turn or the villain's river is much higher than the first three.
 
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Lats monthly Challenge I have been dealt QQ in early position, sitting on nearly 75 Big Blinds I was 2nd chipleader and I made a big raise for 5 Big Blinds and a middle position player went all In with his 32big blinds and action went to the Button guy who was sitting on nearly 76-77 Big blinds Button Re-Jammed and I just called. Both had A-K offsuit and pokerstars punished me with an Ace on the flop I guess I made the correct play in this coin flip situation but It's wrong to gamble all our stack on any made hands if we are not already ITM.
 
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I haven’t played live for a while. I’m not sure about the aspiring, I use Tapatalk for forums, I’m in study groups and Facebook groups so I don’t really concentrate on one forum. Maybe my posts are a bit low.

I don’t play free rolls bud. And the microstakes gameplay is still very abc’y or fishy. Exploiting is the best way to beat it with that exploit regularly being to tighten up.

How do you learn the game?



I started playing over 15 years ago in college. Back then partypoker was the name brand of online playing. Profitable with home games and at the Casino 1/2 NL. Never played enough to take it to the next level. I thought Bovada was a great platform when they used player names. Recently, I've played micro tables at ACR and by far the most weirdest game play and outcomes I've ever seen in my life (in particular Pot Limit Omaha). Totally dumbfounded.


When playing at the Casino, it appears AK is not a aggressively played hand, and everyone laughs when it is overplayed.


As far as online, who stays away from cash tables as it appears only tourneys from midpoint on is normal?
 
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assuming that opponent have AKo and we have QQ. will you call the all in made by opponent?
which is the better option here. Fold or call?

I know its not possible to narrow down opponents range to just AK. still like to know if calling on AK is right decision or wrong?



We should call the winning hand at the time, in mostly all cases.
 
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