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how do you play it ?

do you go all in preflop with it when you are not short stacked ?

once in a real life game I build up money and then I got QQ and a guy raised preflop and I reraised him and he immediately said "All In" and then I thought about it and said that I have a monster but I folded in the end and he showed aces . so I made the right decision but I have seen pros on youtube push all in preflop with it

I find QQ to be the hardest hand to play in a cash game to be honest
 
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You made a good decision folding, when he snap shoves its clear he has AA, KK, AK suited. I would have re raised pre like you, you did nothing wrong in my opinion
 
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You made a good decision folding, when he snap shoves its clear he has AA, KK, AK suited. I would have re raised pre like you, you did nothing wrong in my opinion


but many people shove all in preflop with QQ no ?
 
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but many people shove all in preflop with QQ no ?

Really, really depends on the players and the stack sizes. No, in deep cash, you're usually not getting in with QQ against most live players. Some online games, with a high 3-bet/4-bet dynamic, maybe.
 
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Nice fold but I think it depends on the Villain. I've gotten it in fairly deep with QQ before against Vs that have wider 3 and 4 bet ranges. In a typical loose passive 1/2 game it's a lot easier to fold them pre because 4 bets are so rare and so nutted. As you get to 2/5 and 5/10+ many Vs will be wide enough to get it in profitably. This case was interesting though because it sounds like he made a huge 4 bet jam when he could have made a smaller 4 bet and got it in on the flop. It makes it look like he has AK often when he instead showed AA. How big was the raise and the 3 bet?
 
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It really depends on a few factors, especially how deep you are.. usually I see shoving with QQ preflop as a +EV play, but if my stack is too deep (more than 200bbs) I do need to think a little more about it before making that decision. I do thin it is an easier hand to play than AK tho.
 
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Nice fold but I think it depends on the Villain. I've gotten it in fairly deep with QQ before against Vs that have wider 3 and 4 bet ranges. In a typical loose passive 1/2 game it's a lot easier to fold them pre because 4 bets are so rare and so nutted. As you get to 2/5 and 5/10+ many Vs will be wide enough to get it in profitably. This case was interesting though because it sounds like he made a huge 4 bet jam when he could have made a smaller 4 bet and got it in on the flop. It makes it look like he has AK often when he instead showed AA. How big was the raise and the 3 bet?


I dont remember tbh

and I think AK is easier to play than QQ . AK is an easy fold preflop against big aggression imo
 
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I dont remember tbh

and I think AK is easier to play than QQ . AK is an easy fold preflop against big aggression imo
I think this again depends on how you define big aggression and from whom (the LAG spaz guy or the nit?). The attractive part about AK is card removal. Instead of worrying about 12 combos of KK+ (the only hands that really have you in trouble) you only have to worry about 6 combos because you block an Ace and a King. Every other hand that V shows up with you're flipping a coin against the pocket pairs or you have Ax or Kx dominated (73%+). This is very powerful. With QQ you have all 12 combos of KK+ to worry about and you're flipping vs AK, you have all the under pairs crushed but the Ax and Kx hands all have about 30% equity against you.

Your folding of AK and QQ to big aggression could be correct depending on your competition but it is also exploitable. If I'm always willing to get it in with AK and you're always folding QQ and AK I'm getting tons of value from you without even really getting out of line for example. As I start adding more and more combos I'll be stealing more and more pots since you're only calling with your 12 best combos of KK+ and sometimes I'll block some of those.

If you look at performance against the top of most ranges QQ and AK perform similarly at about 40% equity but with AK a lot of that equity is due to chopped pots:

QQ vs QQ+, AK = 40.21% (03.7% chops)
AK vs QQ+, AK = 39.59% (40.6% chops)
 
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I am not too sure why but I have had better luck with QQ. If I have KK and go all in someone always calls me with a A and what ever and A comes on the flop. I have played at A## for about 6 months. When I am dealt AK I am about 5% seeing a A or K on the flop. Still having fun playing the game.
 
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It can be a tough one, that's for sure. I think you need to play it strong, even with a big stack. You're situation is definitely one where it depends on your opponent. And usually there, it comes down to, is villain only doing this only with premiums like AA, KK or AK, or would villain do it with others hands, and make your best judgment call.
 
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It can be a tough one, that's for sure. I think you need to play it strong, even with a big stack. You're situation is definitely one where it depends on your opponent. And usually there, it comes down to, is villain only doing this only with premiums like AA, KK or AK, or would villain do it with others hands, and make your best judgment call.


"your situation" not "you're" :D lol sorry for being a grammar nazi

and I dont understand why you guys are talking as if villain having AK would be bad for us holding QQ . we would be a slight favorite in that case
 
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how do you play it ?

do you go all in preflop with it when you are not short stacked ?

once in a real life game I build up money and then I got QQ and a guy raised preflop and I reraised him and he immediately said "All In" and then I thought about it and said that I have a monster but I folded in the end and he showed aces . so I made the right decision but I have seen pros on youtube push all in preflop with it

I find QQ to be the hardest hand to play in a cash game to be honest
QQ is still not an easy hand to play. For example, if an A-high or a K-high flop comes out, it will be very difficult for you to figure out where you are.

In your case, we still beat pocket pairs weaker, all sorts of suited connectors, possibly gappers, etc. And on such flops personally, not only will I not give up, but I will also look for 2 streets of thin value.
In your situation, the right decision.
 
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Usually i don't get the chance to play them, if i am BB everyone folds before i even the chance to act. Pocket QQ is my worst played hand, i just do raise and every folds.
 
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Depends on position and who is aggressor.

If I'm 3-bet by a really tight player, I may find a fold. If I'm 3 or 4 bet by a looser player, I may either call, or depending on wide their range is may just shove over the top on them. I've seen villains playing like 85VPIP/50PFR - you can be sure I"m happy to shove QQ into them preflop if they fire back.
 
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how do you play it ?

do you go all in preflop with it when you are not short stacked ?

once in a real life game I build up money and then I got QQ and a guy raised preflop and I reraised him and he immediately said "All In" and then I thought about it and said that I have a monster but I folded in the end and he showed aces . so I made the right decision but I have seen pros on youtube push all in preflop with it

I find QQ to be the hardest hand to play in a cash game to be honest


If players to act ahead of you are deep, then I would not go all in. I would play it normal with the normal raise sizing for that table. If it is 3bet or called then proceed accordingly. Post flop if you are OOP I would cbet the flop regardless of board and texture against one opponent.. If you are called or raised, then proceed cautiously. I think you would be able to extract more value from your hand playing it each street, then shoving.

If someone in UTG/+1 raised preflop, then I would not 3bet but call and see a flop if the price and stacks are right (for me anything less than 5% of the effective stack size). You would need to assume their raising range in EP contains many KK+, AQs+, AQos+. Also depends on reads from them as well, are the a TAG, NIT or LAG will come into the equation as well.

Again, I do not think going all in is the best play to extract the most value for a strong hand. You will get the hands that you want to come along, like any low/mid pocket pair or some Ax/Kx hands to fold.
 
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may be

You made the right decision, in a cash game this is really the right decision, players come and go, you cannot understand whether they are bluffing or not. If it was any tournament (middle or end) then I would call all-in
 
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Stack off ranges preflop depend strongly on positions and action. BTN raising, SB 3-betting, BB folding, BTN 4-betting is a way different scenario than UTG raising, UTG+1 3-betting, UTG+2 cold 4-betting with 6 players still left to act behind him. In the first scenario I probably always jam QQ for 100BB, if I am SB, but in the second scenario I can easily see myself folding, especially if UTG+2 is a tight player, and I am UTG, meaning I only have 2,5-3 BB invested so far. Also I am never "short stacked" in a cash game, so unless the opponent is, this is not a situation, I need to deal with.
 
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It depends of the position for me. Just see how many players raised/called before me. But I'm not gonna all in before see the flop with QQ. Especially on small stakes some people raising even with A6 offsuit. They get their Ace on the flop and your Queens are dying.

Especially in some networks you should be really afraid when you have that hand. Some networks has terrible RNG and just giving amazing hands to take all players in. If there you have QQ, probably someone have KK or AA. So you got all in with few players and network gets more rake. I see often there are 4 people all in at 6max. One of them has flush, other one has straight, other one has set and other one has straight flush. Especially on GG... I see that situations on GG much more than all other networks i've played. Especially about straight flush. I never saw that happens that "often"...
 
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All in on preflop in cash games is a risky business, not only with QQ but also with KK there is a danger of losing the entire stack. I've been getting a lot of bad beats lately so I've become a lot more careful with preflop all ins:)
 
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To play poker you need to think about each act, choosing the position, range hand, and who are the opponent you will try to bluff, so goes all in are not a good strategy by ir self. You can make a profitable game shoving against some players, and in some positions, but in generally you will need to trace a good strategy, and to call an allin you need to think twice... I am able to call allin in tournament games, depending on the circunstancies, but I will prefer don't do this in cashgames, you will have more good spots, and don't need to fight against the blinds.
 
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but many people shove all in preflop with QQ no ?

depends position people ship hands strong relative to position there in or least meant to....

its kinda hard to play texas holdem too tight preflop particularly vs all ins mean you can fold everything and just get in aks kk+ as long as you havent invested more than 1/3 of stack pre you can just fold everything else till develop reads, so just follow and trust your gut just play and think and your work out how to play them (i for one was a mad man with pockets all the way down to 77s when first started playing ha so if your vs me back in the day call off way wider ha), if think someones going wider widen the your own get in range but cant got wrong being tight and nitty in certain spots till you learn more about opponent, also depends if full ring or 6max or zoom not that ive really played alot 4bet ranges seem more polar yet tight when getting in dont play zoom (its just not real poker cant get table dynamics going and back and forth etc reads more wish washy personal opinion not factual i dont like or would recommend zoom)

GL with playing em
 
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You answered your own question you had notes on the person you were playing and you were able to read it and played your hand correctly only by having notes on the subscribers can you make a game plan with a blind card in your hands
 
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It depends a lot on the rival, the situation ... many factors ... Sometimes it will be good some bad! I try to raise as much as they pay me preflop, but if I get 3bet or 4bet then I have to think more about these factors ...
 
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