Pre Flop Chart....6 man, cash games

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Anyone use the pre-flop chart from Upswing poker? I mostly played online tourneys and then after that live cash. During the pandemic I got back into online and was mostly just breaking even and have always struggled when I start try to LAG more. I started using this chart and I have done pretty terrible, definitely running bad, but still getting owned. Anyone have experience with this chart or anything similar?
 
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I am not following any particular chart, but taking a look at it, these seem like fairly standard opening ranges for a 6-handed game. So if your results are bad, its hardly because of these ranges. The reason must be something else like either variance or leaks in your postflop game.
 
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I mean you definitely want to have some hand-ranges in your mind or a chart that you should stick to. I don't use that chart but I did find an iOS App that I use to check ranges quickly. It also allows you to scan cards and see win probability in that moment so that's a plus. It's called poker odds Scanner, hope it helps you.
 
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Anyone use the pre-flop chart from Upswing poker? I mostly played online tourneys and then after that live cash. During the pandemic I got back into online and was mostly just breaking even and have always struggled when I start try to LAG more. I started using this chart and I have done pretty terrible, definitely running bad, but still getting owned. Anyone have experience with this chart or anything similar?


I use Johnathan Little's hand ranges, but regardless of your preflop choices you should review your post-flop play if you've started doing worse. Are you opening/calling/raising more hands pre-flop than you used to? It could be getting used to making decisions post-flop with weaker hands than you have in the past.
 
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I use Johnathan Little's hand ranges, but regardless of your preflop choices you should review your post-flop play if you've started doing worse. Are you opening/calling/raising more hands pre-flop than you used to? It could be getting used to making decisions post-flop with weaker hands than you have in the past.

Hmm, that is an interesting way to look at it. I am calling slightly more but mostly raising more. I think my pre flop raise went up from 17% to 21%. I changed it back to slightly tighter 10 sessions ago and no I'm back to having winning sessions. I do tend to not give up on hands when involved. So I think you have an excellent point. Any advice on how to improve that part of my game?
 
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I have been reviewing, and there are definite blowup hands where I get frustrated and make a poor decision, which definitely plays a big part but outside of that, nothing really stuck out to me. I am mostly just reviewing the bigger pots I lost.
 
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I am not following any particular chart, but taking a look at it, these seem like fairly standard opening ranges for a 6-handed game. So if your results are bad, its hardly because of these ranges. The reason must be something else like either variance or leaks in your postflop game.



Just saw this reply, thanks. Yea, I'd say maybe a little variance for sure but I think my post flop play needs work. One of the reasons I am playing more cash bc after so much tourney play, I think that part of my game is sorely lacking. It's a tough balance bc I dont want to play too nitty and give up every hand I dont have the nuts but dont want to be too spewy either. Any tips on working on post flop play outside of playing more cards?
 
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I mean you definitely want to have some hand-ranges in your mind or a chart that you should stick to. I don't use that chart but I did find an iOS app that I use to check ranges quickly. It also allows you to scan cards and see win probability in that moment so that's a plus. It's called Poker odds Scanner, hope it helps you.

Awesome. I'll check that out. Thanks.
 
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Hmm, that is an interesting way to look at it. I am calling slightly more but mostly raising more. I think my pre flop raise went up from 17% to 21%. I changed it back to slightly tighter 10 sessions ago and no I'm back to having winning sessions. I do tend to not give up on hands when involved. So I think you have an excellent point. Any advice on how to improve that part of my game?


I'd isolate hands that you played to showdown that you wouldn't have normally opened and run them through ICMizer or some other sim to see what the 'proper' play is. You could also post them on this forum under the Cash Game section to get other people's thoughts. The important thing is to focus on what's changed and see if there are better ways to adapt to looser post flop play.
 
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