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BB: 501.5 BB
UTG: 189.83 BB
MP: 102.83 BB
CO: 506 BB
Hero (BTN): 103 BB
SB: 155.33 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ac Qc
fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 8.5 BB, fold, fold, CO raises to 25.5 BB,

200NL, Vs on a heater, 4b range is TT+,AKs/o. Assuming he has no bluffs here what should we do & why?
Assuming he has a couple of bluffs what should we do & why?

IMO, we call if he has no bluffs & jam if he has some? or do we flat in both scenarios?
 
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Been playing a ton on ignition and the games are amazing but I'm losing over the last 30k hands. Gonna take a break for awhile, the grind has been taxing.

Yeah, I heard everywhere the games are super good. I haven't played a lick. I've been swamped. I'm going to try and squeeze some hands in sometime this week though. This is the longest I've gone w/o playing.

Good that you're taking a break. Don't wait too long because these games won't be like this again for awhile from what I hear. :)
 
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Yeah, I heard everywhere the games are super good. I haven't played a lick. I've been swamped. I'm going to try and squeeze some hands in sometime this week though. This is the longest I've gone w/o playing.

Good that you're taking a break. Don't wait too long because these games won't be like this again for awhile from what I hear. :)
It's nice because there's always good games going at 200nl, not just at night time. Get on in there breh, the water is great.
 
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here's a couple from my session this afternoon.


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NL Holdem $2(BB)
BB ($200) [VPIP: 80% | PFR: 40% | AGG: 42.9% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 100% | River Agg: 50% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 33.3% | Hands: 5]
UTG ($189) [VPIP: 28.9% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 23.8% | Flop Agg: 36.4% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 4.8% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 46]
EP ($583.87) [VPIP: 16.7% | PFR: 13.3% | AGG: 33.3% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 40% | River Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 5.6% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 30]
MP1 ($200) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 0% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 5]
MP2 ($488.38) [VPIP: 16.1% | PFR: 13.4% | AGG: 24.2% | Flop Agg: 25% | Turn Agg: 27.3% | River Agg: 16.7% | 3-Bet: 2.7% | 4-Bet: 33.3% | Hands: 112]
HERO ($200) [VPIP: 15.7% | PFR: 12.2% | AGG: 30% | Flop Agg: 31.7% | Turn Agg: 28.2% | River Agg: 27.9% | 3-Bet: 5.5% | 4-Bet: 11.6% | Hands: 38837]
CO ($104) [VPIP: 8.8% | PFR: 4.4% | AGG: 11.1% | Flop Agg: 20% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 100% | Hands: 68]
BTN ($226.32) [VPIP: 17.8% | PFR: 12.7% | AGG: 47.1% | Flop Agg: 42.1% | Turn Agg: 44.4% | River Agg: 66.7% | 3-Bet: 11.4% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 119]
SB ($215.05) [VPIP: 31.3% | PFR: 18.8% | AGG: 20% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 50% | River Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 17]

Dealt to Hero: A:club: A:heart:

UTG Folds, EP Folds, MP1 Checks, MP2 Folds, HERO Raises To $9, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $7, MP1 Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [9.1 effective]
Flop ($21): 6:diamond: K:club: K:heart:
BB Checks, HERO Checks

Turn ($21): 6:diamond: K:club: K:heart: 4:heart:
BB Bets $9.98 (Rem. Stack: 181.02), HERO Calls $9.98 (Rem. Stack: 181.02)

River ($40.96): 6:diamond: K:club: K:heart: 4:heart: Q:diamond:
BB Bets $38.92 (Rem. Stack: 142.10), HERO Calls $38.92 (Rem. Stack: 142.10)

BB shows: K:spade: 5:spade:

BB wins: $114.8

call or fold or what?

I was considering 3betting pre but I don't think that I'm doing well against his GII range so I call. I was honestly considering folding the flop because when the reg calls he has at least a 9 but he never has a 9 unless it's 99+ and utg is repping a premium range as well. I can't call on the turn. I figure I'm beat but honestly it was more annoying to see I was chopping...


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NL Holdem $2(BB)
EP ($182.86) [VPIP: 52.2% | PFR: 21.7% | AGG: 40.9% | Flop Agg: 45.5% | Turn Agg: 50% | River Agg: 20% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 23]
MP ($189) [VPIP: 28.9% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 23.8% | Flop Agg: 36.4% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 4.8% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 46]
HJ ($368.5) [VPIP: 16.7% | PFR: 13.3% | AGG: 33.3% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 40% | River Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 5.6% | 4-Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 5.6% | Hands: 30]
CO ($488.38) [VPIP: 16.1% | PFR: 13.4% | AGG: 24.2% | Flop Agg: 25% | Turn Agg: 27.3% | River Agg: 16.7% | 3-Bet: 2.7% | 4-Bet: 33.3% | Hands: 112]
HERO ($197) [VPIP: 15.7% | PFR: 12.2% | AGG: 30% | Flop Agg: 31.7% | Turn Agg: 28.2% | River Agg: 27.9% | 3-Bet: 5.5% | 4-Bet: 11.6% | Cold Call: 7.3% | Hands: 38839]
SB ($105) [VPIP: 8.8% | PFR: 4.4% | AGG: 11.1% | Flop Agg: 20% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 100% | Hands: 68]
BB ($229.32) [VPIP: 17.8% | PFR: 12.7% | AGG: 47.1% | Flop Agg: 42.1% | Turn Agg: 44.4% | River Agg: 66.7% | 3-Bet: 11.4% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 119]
UTG ($214.05) [VPIP: 31.3% | PFR: 18.8% | AGG: 20% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 50% | River Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 17]

Dealt to Hero: Q:heart: Q:diamond:

UTG Folds, EP Raises To $10, MP Folds, HJ Calls $10, CO Folds, HERO Calls $10, SB Folds, BB Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [5.24 effective]
Flop ($33): 9:heart: 6:diamond: 6:club:
EP Bets $23.51 (Rem. Stack: 149.35), HJ Calls $23.51 (Rem. Stack: 334.99), HERO Calls $23.51 (Rem. Stack: 163.49)

Turn ($103.53): 9:heart: 6:diamond: 6:club: 6:spade:
EP Bets $74.65 (Rem. Stack: 74.70), HJ Raises To $149.30 (Rem. Stack: 185.69), HERO Folds, EP Raises To $149.35 (allin), HJ Calls $0.05 (Rem. Stack: 185.64)

River ($402.23): 9:heart: 6:diamond: 6:club: 6:spade: 5:club:

EP shows: J:club: J:diamond:
HJ shows: Q:spade: Q:club:

HJ wins: $398.23
 
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also, is there a way i can post this without it showing my entire database stats?
 
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QQ I'm 3bet squeezing all day v those EP stats
 
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Thank you for sharing your experience. I was always keen to learn how to play cash, although I am playing decent MTTs I was always afraid I am going to lose big on cash games. It is a big difference and you need a need a different bankroll for cash. I tried , I won the money quickly, I made 400$ in a few hours, then I lost it even more quicker :mad:. Then I gave up after I smashed my bankroll I started with. I think cash is like up and down and you need to be mentally ready for it.
I am going to follow you thread to learn something new and apply it and see how it is going.
 
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QQ I'm 3bet squeezing all day v those EP stats
You're most likely right. 3betting seemed like the standard play at the time and I did consider it. But I figured I'm against two very strong ranges(utg probably jj+,ak) (hj, Ajs-aq, 88+) and that if I 3bet and utg gii I'm not thrilled. If utg gii then hj calls I'm probably going to fold.
 
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Late to the party but have downloaded the book and will subscribe to add my thoughts as I go

Thanks for the great free resource!!
 
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also, is there a way i can post this without it showing my entire database stats?

There's an export option setting that you can select to include these extended stats or not.


In Drivehud when you right click to export a hand, at the top there's an options slide out. You can check what you want to include or not include.
 
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There's an export option setting that you can select to include these extended stats or not.


In Drivehud when you right click to export a hand, at the top there's an options slide out. You can check what you want to include or not include.
Thanks. That's much easier than hunting for it and deleting it each time. Drive hud is sweet, great for study. If only I studied more [emoji23][emoji23]
 
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NL Holdem $2(BB)
SB ($92.93) [VPIP: 36.6% | PFR: 14.6% | AGG: 46.4% | Flop Agg: 40% | Turn Agg: 50% | 3-Bet: 6.7% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 42]
BB ($200) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 10% | AGG: 0% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 22.2% | Hands: 20]
UTG ($298.26) [VPIP: 30.1% | PFR: 24.7% | AGG: 33.3% | Flop Agg: 42.9% | Turn Agg: 25% | 3-Bet: 9.5% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 73]
MP ($246.62) [VPIP: 28.6% | PFR: 17.1% | AGG: 30% | Flop Agg: 20% | Turn Agg: 42.9% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 36]
HJ ($198) [VPIP: 7.6% | PFR: 5.1% | AGG: 27.3% | Flop Agg: 40% | Turn Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 5.9% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 79]
CO ($197) [VPIP: 10.3% | PFR: 5.9% | AGG: 13.3% | Flop Agg: 25% | Turn Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 69]
HERO

Dealt to Hero: J:spade: Q:spade:

UTG Folds, MP Raises To $8, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $20, SB Folds, BB Calls $18, MP Calls $12

Hero SPR on Flop: [2.95 effective]
Flop ($61): 6:spade: 9:spade: J:club:
BB Checks, MP Bets $25 (Rem. Stack: 201.62), HERO Calls $25 (Rem. Stack: 278.18), BB Folds

Turn ($111): 6:spade: 9:spade: J:club: K:club:
MP Bets $75 (Rem. Stack: 126.62), HERO Folds

MP wins: $107
 
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Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem $2(BB)
SB ($92.93) [VPIP: 36.6% | PFR: 14.6% | AGG: 46.4% | Flop Agg: 40% | Turn Agg: 50% | 3-Bet: 6.7% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 42]
BB ($200) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 10% | AGG: 0% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 22.2% | Hands: 20]
UTG ($298.26) [VPIP: 30.1% | PFR: 24.7% | AGG: 33.3% | Flop Agg: 42.9% | Turn Agg: 25% | 3-Bet: 9.5% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 73]
MP ($246.62) [VPIP: 28.6% | PFR: 17.1% | AGG: 30% | Flop Agg: 20% | Turn Agg: 42.9% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 36]
HJ ($198) [VPIP: 7.6% | PFR: 5.1% | AGG: 27.3% | Flop Agg: 40% | Turn Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 5.9% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 79]
CO ($197) [VPIP: 10.3% | PFR: 5.9% | AGG: 13.3% | Flop Agg: 25% | Turn Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 69]
HERO

Dealt to Hero: J Q

UTG Folds, MP Raises To $8, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $20, SB Folds, BB Calls $18, MP Calls $12

Hero SPR on Flop: [2.95 effective]
Flop ($61): 6 9 J
BB Checks, MP Bets $25 (Rem. Stack: 201.62), HERO Calls $25 (Rem. Stack: 278.18), BB Folds

Turn ($111): 6 9 J K
MP Bets $75 (Rem. Stack: 126.62), HERO Folds

MP wins: $107



Strange donk lead. Why the small 3-bet?

I can't see your stack size, but I'm leaning towards a flop raise w/ all the equity you have, and the amount of draws he can have as well.
 
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Hi there professor Anhalt, please help me with this little doubt:
UTG: 98.60 BB
MP: 103.3 BB
CO HERO: 180.7 BB
BTN Villain: 98.1 BB
SB: 99.5 BB
BB: 148 BB

SB post 0.50; BB posts 1; folds; folds; Hero CO raises 2.38 bb, Villain BTN 3-bets to 7.13 BB, folds; folds; folds; folds;
Hero CO calls:

heads-up
Pot size: 15.76 blinds
Flop: Kd6cAd

Villain BTN C-bets 1/3 pot (4.94 bb), Hero CO... (?)

Let's assume we do call:

Turn: 3h
Pot size: 25.64 blinds

Hero CO checks. Is there something else we could do here if we do call the flop? Is this 3h a good card for bluffing?
Villain BTN checks behind. I found this odds, because okay checking its Kings for protection because I can have some Ax here, but if BTN had any ace, it shouldn't be checking behind here right? So I increased the bluff range of V after he checks-behind turn.

River: 9d
Pot size: 25.64 blinds

Our action? We complete a mid flush. As I believe that V would have more bluffs than values on its range I am usually checking almost anything here, such as AK, A9, A6, A3, I guess I would not bet, my sets would not bet here as well such as 66, 33, 99, we almost never have KK and AA here, anyways, given that I am deep stacked I have more odds for calling 3-bets for setmine versus fishy style, and besides all of that I thought that if I checked turn Villain could try to overbluff this river with a bunch of stuff.
Summarizing, Hero CO checks and Villain BTN bets 18.51 bb. Our action?

Regards;

Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa


You really don't have any other option other than call. You can't rep a big hand on this flop. Just Ax or Kx, and 66 (being your narrow big hand).

No, on the river he will have more value hands than bluffs. If he was bluffing, he would have bluffed the turn, then we'd def be checking river. But checking behind in position is usually a range that players over check w/ mid value hands they want to get to showdown with. So I'd bet on the small side of my range hoping to get raised as a bluff or to get a call from weak Kx/Ax. So 1/3rd pot.
 
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Strange donk lead. Why the small 3-bet?

I can't see your stack size, but I'm leaning towards a flop raise w/ all the equity you have, and the amount of draws he can have as well.



oops, i accidentally deleted the stack size.. I don't have an explanation for the 3bet size, normally i just pot it and yeah it is small. A pot sized 3bet would have more likely weeded out some of those draws..

The reason i decided to call instead of raise is because our opponent is fish. I wouldn't expect him to be balancing his value range with an appropriate amount of bluffs. he's likely too going to bluff too much or not enough. Since I didn't have any real reason to put him in the former camp, I placed him in the latter. Of the bluffs he may have I think the most likely hands that a player like this would want to bluff are going to be spades and open enders that I block a bit. However, if this was a legit reg I would have just raised the flop for sure. Am I terribly far off in my thinking here?

I would have stuck it in on the turn were it not an A or K.

Hope all is well with you and yours at present!! You been playing much lately?
 
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No stats on SB? I think it's pretty close. Two years ago I'd say good fold. But today people are bluffing wider on the river at these stakes. JT he could be flatting, KJ/TT he shouldn't be though.


I think it could be a very nitty fold but personally I just can't bring myself to do it
there's 2 reasons why I would think about it
1. he donks the R which usually shows strength because people hate xing it and not getting paid
2. 3bet on the river is a very rare scenario and its 99.9999% of the time the nuts

boards like this im sometimes not even raising river because most of the time its a gross cooler avoided
 
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How can we get more value here?

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $4 (40 bb) VPIP: 12, PFR: 10, 3B: 1, AF: 1.0, Hands: 69 NIT
UTG+2: $13.81 (138.1 bb)VPIP: 13, PFR: 9, 3B: 3, AF: 1.0, Hands: 669 NIT
MP1: $15.23 (152.3 bb)
MP2: $5.34 (53.4 bb)
MP3: $16.65 (166.5 bb)
CO: $17.95 (179.5 bb)
BTN: $18.77 (187.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 9
UTG+1 raises to $0.25, UTG+2 calls $0.25, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.20, BB folds
I don't think a preflop squeeze is sensible against the stats of the UTG opener. Is anyone considering squeezing here?

Flop: ($1.85) 4 9 T (7 players)
Hero bets $0.92, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.92, 4 folds
Is anyone else leading here oop 7 handed? I think if I don't start some betting here its just going to check around a lot giving free cards to flush and straight draws. Particularly as the two nit openers have low aggro and may slow play / check call their overpairs.

Turn: ($3.69) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.84, UTG+2 calls $1.84

Considered various sizings here, 1/2 pot sets up a pot sized shove, should we go bigger here to try and give him better odds on the river?

River: ($7.37) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.99 and is all-in, UTG+2 folds

Results: $7.37 pot ($0.36 rake)
Final Board: 4 9 T 9 8
Hero mucked 9 9 and won $7.01 ($4 net)
UTG+2 mucked and lost (-$3.01 net)
 
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Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $4 (40 bb) VPIP: 12, PFR: 10, 3B: 1, AF: 1.0, Hands: 69 NIT
UTG+2: $13.81 (138.1 bb)VPIP: 13, PFR: 9, 3B: 3, AF: 1.0, Hands: 669 NIT
MP1: $15.23 (152.3 bb)
MP2: $5.34 (53.4 bb)
MP3: $16.65 (166.5 bb)
CO: $17.95 (179.5 bb)
BTN: $18.77 (187.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 9
UTG+1 raises to $0.25, UTG+2 calls $0.25, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.20, BB folds
I don't think a preflop squeeze is sensible against the stats of the UTG opener. Is anyone considering squeezing here?

Flop: ($1.85) 4 9 T (7 players)
Hero bets $0.92, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.92, 4 folds
Is anyone else leading here oop 7 handed? I think if I don't start some betting here its just going to check around a lot giving free cards to flush and straight draws. Particularly as the two nit openers have low aggro and may slow play / check call their overpairs.

Turn: ($3.69) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.84, UTG+2 calls $1.84

Considered various sizings here, 1/2 pot sets up a pot sized shove, should we go bigger here to try and give him better odds on the river?

River: ($7.37) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.99 and is all-in, UTG+2 folds

Results: $7.37 pot ($0.36 rake)
Final Board: 4 9 T 9 8
Hero mucked 9 9 and won $7.01 ($4 net)
UTG+2 mucked and lost (-$3.01 net)


Yes, FR here I'd lead the flop and lead 2/3rds. You're going to get at least 1-2 callers. And nit picking but I'd probably go slightly larger on the turn too so you can have an easy river shove. But I like the flop lead. NH.
 
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Late to the party but have downloaded the book and will subscribe to add my thoughts as I go

Thanks for the great free resource!!


Took me a while but made a good dent in the book now - thanks again John it’s great. I’d say it’s the “softer” side away from pure theory and maths that has really helped

At the start of the week I spent some time on the player types chapter and then only played 1 or 2 tables max for the rest of the week, tagging everyone at my tables and making decent notes on their characteristics.

I can now very quickly spot the fish at my tables and exploit them heavily which has led to a couple of 3-5 buyin winning sessions in a row. Fundamental change to my winrate - albeit small sample I’m playing much smarter and more exploitatively thanks to this framework for quickly assessing players.

Clearly the focus of the chapter is on identifying weak traits to exploit, of which there are several and quite specific. At a higher level is there a simpler set of categories you think of (I’m thinking 5/6 colour codes I can tag players with) that give a very quick sense of how to approach. To me the typical LAG/TAG/Fish isn’t descriptive enough for how to exploit. Would it look something like:

- Nit / Rock (will overfold but watch out when they fight back
- Fish (Wide/weak range - overfolds) ie your Ax players
- Fish (Wide/weak range - over aggressive) ie your raise non premiums and other generally aggressive with weak holding players such as bets unimproved
- Sticky (your flush chasers and call raises weak)
- Whale or Maniac (any two cards and get lots of money in weak)

Be interested to get your thoughts on a smaller set of groupings that can be exploited in similar ways
 
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Took me a while but made a good dent in the book now - thanks again John it’s great. I’d say it’s the “softer” side away from pure theory and maths that has really helped

At the start of the week I spent some time on the player types chapter and then only played 1 or 2 tables max for the rest of the week, tagging everyone at my tables and making decent notes on their characteristics.

I can now very quickly spot the fish at my tables and exploit them heavily which has led to a couple of 3-5 buyin winning sessions in a row. Fundamental change to my winrate - albeit small sample I’m playing much smarter and more exploitatively thanks to this framework for quickly assessing players.

Clearly the focus of the chapter is on identifying weak traits to exploit, of which there are several and quite specific. At a higher level is there a simpler set of categories you think of (I’m thinking 5/6 colour codes I can tag players with) that give a very quick sense of how to approach. To me the typical LAG/TAG/Fish isn’t descriptive enough for how to exploit. Would it look something like:

- Nit / Rock (will overfold but watch out when they fight back
- Fish (Wide/weak range - overfolds) ie your Ax players
- Fish (Wide/weak range - over aggressive) ie your raise non premiums and other generally aggressive with weak holding players such as bets unimproved
- Sticky (your flush chasers and call raises weak)
- Whale or Maniac (any two cards and get lots of money in weak)

Be interested to get your thoughts on a smaller set of groupings that can be exploited in similar ways


Thanks for the feedback and glad you're enjoying the book.

As far as player types at higher stakes, they are still somewhat similar, but they are just better. Fish at higher stakes aren't going to be Ax players. So the specific exploits change a bit. You won't get as many sticky players, etc.. you'll still get players who like to see one more card, but depending on how high up you're talking about, all the player types just get more refined. It's not something I have written out before, so I can't just bust out all the differences, but that's a couple of basic examples.
 
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Pacific, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

SB: $50.25 (100.5 bb)VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 5, AF: 2.5, Hands: 93
BB: $46.67 (93.3 bb)
Hero (MP1): $55.19 (110.4 bb)
MP2: $91.15 (182.3 bb)
MP3: $50 (100 bb)
CO: $51.53 (103.1 bb)
BTN: $137.15 (274.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9 9
Hero raises to $1.50, 4 folds, SB raises to $5.25 currently 12% 3 bet from SB, BB folds, Hero calls $3.75

Flop: ($11) 3 3 4 (2 players)
SB bets $4.45, Hero calls $4.45

Turn: ($19.90) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6.56, SB raises to $40.55 and is all-in, Hero?
 
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Range wise Bruce, you are up against TT-AA and A-K- A-J.
I don't think Villain is raising pre-flop, OOP, with much less.
The big pairs are more or less confirmed by the Villain's action on the FTR.
Even though you had an over pair, betting the river as you did was only polarizing the Villain's all-in, to a bluff or the nuts.
Very difficult to find a call in this instance. I think we fold.
 
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Pacific, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

SB: $50.25 (100.5 bb)VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 5, AF: 2.5, Hands: 93
BB: $46.67 (93.3 bb)
Hero (MP1): $55.19 (110.4 bb)
MP2: $91.15 (182.3 bb)
MP3: $50 (100 bb)
CO: $51.53 (103.1 bb)
BTN: $137.15 (274.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9[emoji812] 9[emoji815]
Hero raises to $1.50, 4 folds, SB raises to $5.25 currently 12% 3 bet from SB, BB folds, Hero calls $3.75

Flop: ($11) 3[emoji814] 3[emoji813] 4[emoji814] (2 players)
SB bets $4.45, Hero calls $4.45

Turn: ($19.90) 6[emoji813] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6.56, SB raises to $40.55 and is all-in, Hero?
What's their AF? and how manh hands do u have on villian?
 
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Pacific, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

SB: $50.25 (100.5 bb)VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 5, AF: 2.5, Hands: 93
BB: $46.67 (93.3 bb)
Hero (MP1): $55.19 (110.4 bb)
MP2: $91.15 (182.3 bb)
MP3: $50 (100 bb)
CO: $51.53 (103.1 bb)
BTN: $137.15 (274.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9 9
Hero raises to $1.50, 4 folds, SB raises to $5.25 currently 12% 3 bet from SB, BB folds, Hero calls $3.75

Flop: ($11) 3 3 4 (2 players)
SB bets $4.45, Hero calls $4.45

Turn: ($19.90) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6.56, SB raises to $40.55 and is all-in, Hero?


You should be checking this turn a ton. I assume he understands your UTG open and calling range will be strong, so FE should be low enough that he just calls his draws on the turn for the price. So you'd be looking at some air and then overpairs. You shouldn't have enough to call... so what range are you putting him on?
 
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