I sat down to play NL2 cache for pokerstars, and this is what came of it. I sit down at the table, 10-15 minutes pass and the table falls apart, well, I think it happens, I sit down at another table and again 10-15 minutes and the table falls apart, I sit down at the table and again it falls apart, and at the same tables the players.
It turns out that everyone uses poker managers and trackers and runs from table to table in search of fish. But there is a plus, if the tables are falling apart with me, then I'm not a fish))).
Quietly playing the cache did not work. I don’t know how at higher limits, but at a micro limit the game is like this.
Going back to play Omaha tournaments.

Good luck to all.

Take it easy boy, just is a bad day like others , remember tha great days when you were confortable playing, think that is just a game, sometimes we have to loose and win.

Tables falling apart, because the only fish has left, is indeed an aspect of cash games, which can be a bit annoying and tiring. 6-max tables are more prone to this, because there is often only one fish on each, and it only takes a few players sitting out, because its hardly even a ring game any more. 9-max tables tend to be a bit more stable in general.

For the record while HUDs do make table selection easier, there are certainly other ways to identify fish than to use a HUD. Fish are basically people, who play to many hands, and who often play them passively before the flop. So one can basically look out for, if someone at the table are involved very often, and for instance limp into a lot of pots. Other fish tells are weird stack sizes, weird bet sized and posting a blind. Basically anything, which is not good winning poker. And of course seeing hands at showdown also does a lot to let you know, if someone is a bad player.

This is just to say, that even if you play on a poker site, where HUDs are not allowed, you can be pretty sure, that anyone, who is trying to win money in cash games, are going to be doing some table selection. It is telling though, that so much table selecion is going on even at 2NL, that you actually notice it. It say quite a lot about the online poker environment anno 2020.

Originally Posted by Alex70793

I sat down to play NL2 cache for pokerstars, and this is what came of it. I sit down at the table, 10-15 minutes pass and the table falls apart, well, I think it happens, I sit down at another table and again 10-15 minutes and the table falls apart, I sit down at the table and again it falls apart, and at the same tables the players.
It turns out that everyone uses poker managers and trackers and runs from table to table in search of fish. But there is a plus, if the tables are falling apart with me, then I'm not a fish))).
Quietly playing the cache did not work. I don’t know how at higher limits, but at a micro limit the game is like this.
Going back to play Omaha tournaments.

Good luck to all.

I don't play cash so I can't relate. There are alternatives, you can play tourneys - where we are seated on tables with a spectrum of players. Can't table select in a tourney. Since you are not from US you could play on a host of other sites that dis-allows cheating HUD software. Personally I like taking notes on my opponents so sites that erase personal notes after events - are crap sites - IMO - but there are several that block HUD software.
Other alternatives include, zoom/zone/blitz etc, jackpot events and such.

It'a a downswing for sure. , you have to keep play in order to pass it

different sites have options. always a tech edge to be had. (que the Astros discussions). even for sites that say they block it, someone will find a way to use it. online is altogether a different animal than live poker. have to embrace it, or ignore it and play on (knowing you're at a disadvantage). even sites like Bovada who block screen names, is still susceptible to people using the software code to create a system to identify players.

Many of poker rooms allow you now to change the table name, actually, one of them forced me to do it recently after a year of use. Unibet for example, allows to create few table aliases.

Find a way to exploit the fact that every reg is playing with a HUD and playing algorithmically, and you find the key to winning at an extraordinary rate.

How do you find out which sites allow it?

I see that Party doesn't and is actively tracking & eliminating bots.
I'd prefer to know I'm not playing against a machine, or HUD equipped miners.

Pretty sure AI will ruin online poker. It's just a matter of time .

I totally agree with you that poker software kills poker. But as you said, there are pluses too. If in live poker you see an opponent, his emotions and his behavior in different situations, then playing online poker is much more difficult. Especially when you play at two or more tables, the software helps to make fewer mistakes and understand which of the opponents plays tight and who plays loose. You described a very interesting situation), I always try to play tight, but I didn’t notice that the tables would fall apart when I sat down for them. Thank you, good luck too.

Yes , that's a good reason I stopped playing normal cash tables and started playing ZOOM kind of games . I mean , when I have a good strike of luck , nice position to a fish (more fish than me) player , and because I start winning , everyone starts leaving . In the best case two others might remain of the 6 (especially when the one is very big stack with also good position/good card running , waiting to take the rest of the chips on the table), but this is very risky for me , not a good game , I am on the blinds very soon one hand after the other and I don't play many hands , so I also leave ...................

I think any external software should be banned. It is simply not fair to people who don't want to use/ don't know about this statistic keeping tool...

I see it as borderline cheating.

Originally Posted by successlaw

It'a a downswing for sure. , you have to keep play in order to pass it

Can you please explain what this has to do with the original poster's post?

Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

Can you please explain what this has to do with the original poster's post?

Don't know what happened i posted it from phone and gave me a black screen ... think i posted it too in the good thread.

I guess you should feel honored that people don't want to play with you

You could maybe change usernames, move to a different level of stakes, or just change sites. I disagree that software kills poker. I think you just have to accept that online and live are 2 completely different games.

Friends, I'm a little confused, maybe I didn't get it right and I need a confirmation .... being during the poker game at a certain table and you don't like who you play at that time, you can move from own initiative at another table ?????

I'm just readying myself to get back into online poker. I stopped playing when the local casinos opened, they are closed now. I guess there's no way to really do things online like they do at the casino. You can't just change tables when you want at the casino. You have to get on the list and wait for an opening at a different table. Generally you can't ask for a specific table either.

Once you change you can't change again for at least an hour or two, depending on the casino.

I'll be totally new to people so I doubt they will run away, at least to start. I'll get a lot of their money before they realize it's time to go. lol