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where to start, I can start at the fact, that I blew $600 at pp, 1/2 level, (I would post all my hands here if someone would just tell me how to post the hands, and i'll post all of it). Well in all fairness, only $10 of the $600 the rest was profit, it took 8hours or so to make, and less then 4hours to blow (lol). My question is how do u play against ppl that refuse to fold in a 9carded game, I mean you can raise, pot everytime, and more then likely (atleast at the table I was at, for ****sakes), someone would call.
Plz for all omaha players I'm beggin you tell me, what to do against a bunch of ppl (I swear, they had to be loaded with money), that refuse to fold.
 
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i play omaha hi a lot. So if i was at a table like this its pretty simple, wait for your premium hands, e.g. aajt ds, akqj ds, qq,tt etc (some example there of premuim hands and hands good enough to play although not premium). Get into the pot cheap, look to flop something big or fold. You can afford to take your time knowing you will be paid off. Then when you hit top set or the nuts, bet pot after pot. Just make sure you fold without the nuts or a big draw too. Dont try and bet big with 2 pair since it isnt a strong hand.

Im not sure how to retreive hand histories, but if someone tells you how i will be willing to look through them for you :D
 
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Almost all micro stakes PLO players play like this. People will play any cards and call down with really bad draws no matter what odds there getting. Be happy that there all so loose, you get your big hands paid off good against these opponents. Its way better than playing against tight opponents, who fold flushes when the board pairs and know the TPTK isn't all that in Omaha.
Just play tight, wait for a really good hand and you will get paid off. Try to see a lot of cheap flops with pairs ans suited aces.
 
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where to start, I can start at the fact, that I blew $600 at pp, 1/2 level, (I would post all my hands here if someone would just tell me how to post the hands, and i'll post all of it). Well in all fairness, only $10 of the $600 the rest was profit, it took 8hours or so to make, and less then 4hours to blow (lol). My question is how do u play against ppl that refuse to fold in a 9carded game, I mean you can raise, pot everytime, and more then likely (atleast at the table I was at, for ****sakes), someone would call.
Plz for all omaha players I'm beggin you tell me, what to do against a bunch of ppl (I swear, they had to be loaded with money), that refuse to fold.



Um make sure you don't raise pot every time, As I'm sure you are aware that any half observant player will quickly pick up that you are raising with less than premium hands. Constantly raising will infact cause you to be called more often than sitting tight as switch suggests. No offence but judging by your post it seems that you have the same affliction (not being able to fold a hand) as you suggest your opponents have.
 
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I play a lot of PL hi lo Omaha now and I seem to be doing ok.

I agree with the other guys - play tight.

When playing Omaha u have to be aware of the nuts all of the time.

An example is that if I have 2nd nut hand, i.e. K high flush, and I have position, about 50% of the time I will check it down, knowing that the only time I will get a call or a reraise I will be behind.

Let the ppl who play Omaha play like its NLHE. U have to be very disaplined playing Omaha. I will make a lot of big laydowns preflop playing Omaha in the early stages - KK/ AA without back up is an easy fold for me preflop in Omaha in the early stages of a MTT with 2 or 3 in pot and making me pot committed.

My guess is that u went through a stage of being card dead and missing flops after u had a good run. This is when u have 2 sit and wait.
 
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Learn to fold, when you play limit people are going to call a lot more to build pots...............
 
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ok, um first yes I was playing loose (but in all fairness, they were the ones raising me, not the other way around), secondly when I would raise I would raise to limit the field (because they would just call, and i would really have decent hands), not to mention that's when it usually went raise, and reraised, on top of my raise, now for example if you hold in your hand (the one hand i remember the most was this) ace//q/9/8 double suitted, and the flop was JD/10D6spades, and there was about $150 in the pot, if utg raised 50, and 2nd to act calls, I called, turn Kclubs, and utg raised $50 2nd calls, I reraised all in for 3something, they both think and call, they both show a flush draw, and river is a diamond (now is that really my fault, yes I was playing loose but somethings just can't be helped) now that's what I'd like to know is how to play against players like that? but i'll take into account everything that everyone said, and ty all
 
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ok, um first yes I was playing loose (but in all fairness, they were the ones raising me, not the other way around), secondly when I would raise I would raise to limit the field (because they would just call, and i would really have decent hands), not to mention that's when it usually went raise, and reraised, on top of my raise, now for example if you hold in your hand (the one hand i remember the most was this) ace//q/9/8 double suitted, and the flop was JD/10D6spades, and there was about $150 in the pot, if utg raised 50, and 2nd to act calls, I called, turn Kclubs, and utg raised $50 2nd calls, I reraised all in for 3something, they both think and call, they both show a flush draw, and river is a diamond (now is that really my fault, yes I was playing loose but somethings just can't be helped) now that's what I'd like to know is how to play against players like that? but i'll take into account everything that everyone said, and ty all

I hope you don`t mind me being blunt, but here goes.
  1. Because the exact hand history is not there I`m not exactly sure, but if they were both on flush draws they were probably priced in.
  2. If you do not know that, then u are playing way outside your limits.
As pointed out by all of us in this post, Omaha, IMO, is a game, and in this order...
  1. having the nuts
  2. Position
  3. Pot odds to the nuts (If there is a pair on the board u have to think long and hard if u r looking to catch a flush draw.
You have got to be prepared to put down the set Aces you caught on the rainbow flop if a straight/ flush, etc is likely. So, exactly as the mad said.
 
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Tighten up. Bet nut hands and nut draws, don't bluff AT ALL.
 
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It's hard to bluff in limit. That's one of the reasons people play it.
Once again learn to fold...............:cool:
 

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naruto, if you are still interested in learning i will help you out but you seem to have dissapeared
 
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ya switch sry, I haven't been on for a couple of days, but ya sure, I would like to learn more, sry about that once again
 
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ok, well id need to see some hand histories to help you in certain situations, or if you pm me your full tilt username, ill search you and rail you playing some games if you wish. I have plenty of time since im taking a break from playing after a bad run
 
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aight unlike everyone else I don't really have a problem with loose play preflop. Well the thing is alot of the hands that people say play tight and wait for "this" hand and call I would raise it. The Big thing that alot of people that come straight from hold em fail to realize with regular PLO is that CONTINUATION BETTING IS NOT AS EFFECTIVE. Of course this only applies if your raising preflop, something I do a lot, but it takes discipline to raise preflop on the button and check when you totally miss the flop in omaha if you just came from hold'em. So its cool to raise but you CAN NOT fall in love with continuation betting its only good for the image you get for when you actually hit the hand, not as good for picking up pots as in hold em.

Another thing with this type of table you explained, YOU CAN NOT TRY TO WIN EVERY POT WHERE YOU FLOP THE NUTS. This is kinda hard for me to explain. The point is your at a calling station, and in omaha the flopped nuts usually won't be the nuts by the river, so sometimes you need to take heed of this and play hands safer in certain situations. For instance lets talk about, say, set play for second. If the flop comes uncoordinated and you have the nut set, yeah this maybe a good time to bet pot max or checkraise pot max.

Now this situation is different when the board shows a straight and flush draw and you have top set, yeah your hand is best but you can best believe your gonna have callers when you bet pot. If the pot was big on the flop and your hand is still best on the turn than you can probably scoop on turn, but if the pot was low and you pot maxed on the flop and you still lead on the turn a pot max bet may not be the best thing because you might not be able to get them to fold and when the draw card comes on the river you put more money in than you wanted to on a draw heavy board. If you know you can't scoop on the turn than I like to value bet/half pot bet here because you save money when the draw does make it whether you call the river or not.

PLAN YOUR PLAY AROUND THE TURN. If you do this in PLO, you will have much better results. I don't care what anyone says, we can argue this all day, the TURN is the most important street in omaha. This is the street where most nice pots are scooped and where players take control of the pot. Its also the best street to bluff. Now everyone says not to bluff, and in your case I wouldn't bluff because bluffing is like a form of art in omaha, and you definitely can't do it as much as you can in hold em, ESPECIALLY IN A FULL RING GAME. Most of the time, if its 5 or more people in the hand you shouldn't be worried about bluffing. I happen to bluff probably more than the average person in omaha, but you HAVE to understand why you bluff and what your trying to accomplish with your bluff, Plus have good reads on everyone.

Just take the advice of playing tight, drawing to the nuts and not bluffing if you just started. You need to learn the basic principles before you start doing other stuff. Learn to count your outs and Learn to fold. Don't put yourself in positions to make big lay downs, or in other words pushing marginal hands to the edge and than your opponent tries to push you off the cliff with a large reraise. OH YEAH, PLAY SMALL BALL POKER WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE NUTS WITH GOOD HANDS.

Last little tidbit, before you automatically bet pot max post flop, click the pot max button to see what it actually is, than ask yourself if it is enough to make people fold, if you can't say yes than think whether it is worth it to bet pot max if YOU know for sure you'll get called. At the type of table your at, the more you bet pot max, the more you make it harder for yourself to lay down your hand when that flush or straight comes that beat your set, because you'll feel a sense of being somewhat pot committed as a beginner.

But let me get this straight, YOU WERE UP 600 at a 1/2 omaha table and you didnt leave??!!? Seems like a situation where you should leave and rebuy in for cheap. Problem I tend to have too, but if that was the case you DEFINITELY should've got up out of there!!
 
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OK let me put this a different way. The more people that stay in the hand the less likely you are going to take it down.......................
I can't stress this enough. Learn to fold!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Do what you do in any poker game in this situation. It's simple, sit and wait for a big hand, see a flop hit your hand let them come and you and take 1 huge pot, rather than the many small pots you are running after.

If someone isn't going to fold, then make sure that if they call you, you have a better hand, just don't showdown unless you know you're winning!
 
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Well how about starting off by checking? to see where you stand with these people. There is a thing called patience you know. But everything aside. You basically have stated you are aggressive. So when you build up your buy in why not take a break from the table and bank you profits? This alone might save you some money in the long run. for it will keep you losses to the table minimum. Another thing is change tables frequently. Don't let them get a good read on you and only stay long enough to read them.
 
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