yup.It really depends on table dynamic. I've been in several games where limping with an expanded range of starting hands can be profitable.
Good players will see you limping a lot and attack you from position.
I have never seen player who can balance his limp strategy by limping strong hands. It's mostly a wonderful memory on fish head when he stacks someone, totally forgetting those 20 times he lost the pot. Also you lose value if you start limping strong hands, with strong hands you want to build large pot. It's no coincidence that profitable players mark limpers as a fish, it's because he is. Not likely, but he just is. All good players can't be wrong.If you want to do that I suggest you also balance by limping strong hands and when they 4 bet you can go over the top with the 5 bet pre flop.
Lots of talk here... Seems to be working for me and I'm a winning player ☺I have never seen player who can balance his limp strategy by limping strong hands. It's mostly a wonderful memory on fish head when he stacks someone, totally forgetting those 20 times he lost the pot. Also you lose value if you start limping strong hands, with strong hands you want to build large pot. It's no coincidence that profitable players mark limpers as a fish, it's because he is. Not likely, but he just is. All good players can't be wrong.
Just to give an example, I know it’s pointless because bad players are bad because they don’t know how to learn. But just for fun bear with me, maybe some not quite sure what to do is reading this still wanting to learn.
300k hands, what is the win rate when player limped first in? Negative or Positive value? You know the answer deep down right?
-41.51bb/100 – granted it’s less than I would imagine but still there is quite much to improve.
Now it’s not quite that black and white:
Some do seem to make profit, I have limped 868 hands during my poker career and my win is 6.53bb/100 this includes a long the brainless not to know what to do at all period too. Best player in my database is guy with massive limped 86 hands 310bb/100 -> He must be good right? F*ck no, his overall win rate is -4.79 bb/100. So the guy can limp (using friendship with the gods is my guess) sacrificing everything else.
But given rake most are not profitable players, so the substance to -41.51bb/100 we see what is average win rate when player opens with raise first in, that number is, wait for it… wait for it… +46.98bb/100
So the difference is 88.49bb/100
I doubt limpers have the stamina to read all this, well no-one probably has, but if you did read this please remember to keep learning.
Lots of talk here... Seems to be working for me and I'm a winning player ☺
Some do seem to make profit, I have limped 868 hands during my poker career and my win is 6.53bb/100 this includes a long the brainless not to know what to do at all period too.
Just to give an example, I know it’s pointless because bad players are bad because they don’t know how to learn
I doubt limpers have the stamina to read all this, well no-one probably has, but if you did read this please remember to keep learning.
Also please refrain from your Freudian slips to try and insult my intelligence and poker game. Kind of rude as Cards Chat is a safe place to discuss and learn and improve.I have never seen player who can balance his limp strategy by limping strong hands. It's mostly a wonderful memory on fish head when he stacks someone, totally forgetting those 20 times he lost the pot. Also you lose value if you start limping strong hands, with strong hands you want to build large pot. It's no coincidence that profitable players mark limpers as a fish, it's because he is. Not likely, but he just is. All good players can't be wrong.
Just to give an example, I know it’s pointless because bad players are bad because they don’t know how to learn. But just for fun bear with me, maybe some not quite sure what to do is reading this still wanting to learn.
300k hands, what is the win rate when player limped first in? Negative or Positive value? You know the answer deep down right?
-41.51bb/100 – granted it’s less than I would imagine but still there is quite much to improve.
Now it’s not quite that black and white:
Some do seem to make profit, I have limped 868 hands during my poker career and my win is 6.53bb/100 this includes a long the brainless not to know what to do at all period too. Best player in my database is guy with massive limped 86 hands 310bb/100 -> He must be good right? F*ck no, his overall win rate is -4.79 bb/100. So the guy can limp (using friendship with the gods is my guess) sacrificing everything else.
But given rake most are not profitable players, so the substance to -41.51bb/100 we see what is average win rate when player opens with raise first in, that number is, wait for it… wait for it… +46.98bb/100
So the difference is 88.49bb/100
I doubt limpers have the stamina to read all this, well no-one probably has, but if you did read this please remember to keep learning.
Yes we get it man you are a god amongst men.Somehow I saw that coming [emoji14] I wonder why. Maybe I have seen this quite many times? Also it was not aimed for limpers like I said, but those who try to be better.
[emoji122][emoji122]Anger leads you to dark side, maybe tourneys?
I just finished reading your post(s) for the third time. Those are some great thoughts and full of good advice. Thank you for taking the time to make me better and share that with me.
Cheers,
Somehow I saw that coming I wonder why. Maybe I have seen this quite many times? Also it was not aimed for limpers like I said, but those who try to be better.