Limping in cash games!

[mathtree]

You have to change with the times.In the 1990s, you could almost always see a flop with no pre flop raise. As the years went by, more and more pf raising happened with 1 or no callers.Now, there are hardly any times w/o a raise or 3 bet or 4 bet pf. Gotta change gears or get left in the dust.

 

[Spewster]

You have to change with the times.In the 1990s, you could almost always see a flop with no pre flop raise. As the years went by, more and more pf raising happened with 1 or no callers.Now, there are hardly any times w/o a raise or 3 bet or 4 bet pf. Gotta change gears or get left in the dust.

Yeah. I mean there were times when people thought JT was the best starting hand.
But now with all the computer simulations and solvers, people get an idea of the equity distribution of a starting hand.

You won't ever see a cheap flop with Qtrash suited from MP again...and if you do, you know you are sitting in a gold mine

 

[tiltmonster12]

so you would rather 4bet and call shoves with a hand like JJ?? how about 99 shit maybe even 22?? no you wanna open and call a 3 bet instead of limping because it makes you look weak?

 

[PLAYFUL1]

I love to limp any chance I can especially with AA's

 

[seeyouthru]

I love to limp any chance I can especially with AA's

In cash game that might have some value.
But in tournament thats very negative ev play!

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[xbronk]

If we all like to win a tournament feel the feeling of winning a tournament to beat someone who has made you angry by winning with the hand that seemed weak to see that last letter that made you the strongest hand or the first but is less complicated the tables heandsup is easier but also easier to lose ​

 

[Miguel Chacon]

Limpin on Cash Games I will put it to you in these word ''Rookie Mistake'' It might seems temting or a way to see a cheap flop but the reality is that is not profitable if you want to improve your game you must stop limping every time you get into a pot it should be in an agressive way and looking to win the most out of the situation (EV+) Or reduces your losses when the variance is just not to your side hehehe ... wish you good luck on the tables! hope this helps you improve your game

 

[MemphisGrind]

I like to limp behind only with med/small suited connectors or small pocket pairs. If the flop bricks, check fold in a multiway pot. If nobody has opened, I will min open-raise these hands from MP and standard open from LP.

It can be very profitable if you can see flops for cheap against multiple opponents and hit a high-value hand like a set/flush/straight. Just know when to fold and don't spend too many chips trying to bluff people off of a multiway pot.

This might be a leak... watch out I would pick a standard open and not change your open based on position or range. You are exploitable doing this.

 

[MemphisGrind]

I like to limp in when I can. I makes people think you don't have anything. Then they are quick to try and bet you off the pot.

That is one way too look at it... This is implying that you are limping the top of your range I'm assuming? if not why limp... just to offer a good price to get ATC to call and out flop you? Makes narrowing the range much much harder...

 

[MemphisGrind]

that's just idiotic...agressive limping? WTF, lol. When there is an aggro fish, lower your open raise from 3x to 2.5x, while expecting to get 3bet a decent amount of times and 4bet the guy.

If he 3bets that wide, opening up your 4betting range will make it rain money. The only time I'd ever open limp is with AA-QQ when there are a ton of nits and one or two aggros. Nits limp behind me, aggro squeezes and I come over the top.

But honestly, limping, especially in cash games is so aweful. Only people who have a weak preflop game are doing it, like " aww, this monkey always raises me when all I want is seeing a flop with my J9s from UTG+1". Play decent hands, learn to use position, 3betting, and 4betting.

Agressive limping....that almost tilts me.

I completely agree with this

 

[braveslice]

I limp with trash but potential hands against very fishy players oop practically this means that I have a hand like 75s while SB and BB is super passive caller. 75s is not a hand I would normally open against passive player oop so limping widens my range from normal and the goal is to see the flop. This might be same idea than they have in tourneys, but not sure. Happens in my levels 6 max around maybe one in 2k hands. Comments?

I used to trap limp against agros in regular tables, but that came too common and no-one falls that anymore in 6 max and also given my current stats it's not logical thing to do making it too obvious.

 

[metameg]

The essence of this reception is that the player opening limpy stimulates rivals to raise a rate. Thus, when the course will return to a limper, he will be able to play reraise and to take away bank. Limp-raise with a weak hand on micro limits is categorically contraindicated, especially at an active table. At this level of a game pokerist understand insufficiently when it is worth coming into bank, and when there is no therefore will go to bank even at the unprofitable price.

Bahahaha. Wtf is this?

 

[BetterNot]

it all depends on your position and the hand you are holding. It is rather dangerous because the BB can play their hand for free so you can never give him a range.

 

[UDN]

It works at low limits, at higher limits I don't think it will work.

 

[swannymojo]

There is no answer to, "is limping in live games profitable". It depends on the table, your position, your table image, how tight/loose your table is, your confidence in your ability to play correctly post flop & what hand your limping with. like limping aj off in mp2 or limping in to set mine with 66 from utg. lots of factors here and like in everything poker..."it depends".

lol

 

[panost]

Imagine the day when all players are TAGs and LAGs. There aren't limpers (fish, calling station, donks, ... ).:hmmmm2:

Let them enjoy the game.

 

[tiltmonster12]

that's just idiotic...agressive limping? WTF, lol. When there is an aggro fish, lower your open raise from 3x to 2.5x, while expecting to get 3bet a decent amount of times and 4bet the guy.

If he 3bets that wide, opening up your 4betting range will make it rain money. The only time I'd ever open limp is with AA-QQ when there are a ton of nits and one or two aggros. Nits limp behind me, aggro squeezes and I come over the top.

But honestly, limping, especially in cash games is so aweful. Only people who have a weak preflop game are doing it, like " aww, this monkey always raises me when all I want is seeing a flop with my J9s from UTG+1". Play decent hands, learn to use position, 3betting, and 4betting.

Agressive limping....that almost tilts me.

Against an aggro-fish, openning our 4bet would be a good idea but how would you play if he isnt a fish but someone who knows what he's doing? How would you adapt to this player if you dont have the option of playing a different table?

 

[PackinPat]

If you have something worth playing like AJ,AT or something playable then you limp but if you have a great hand then you raise or go all-in

I think you limp with a limping hand and raise with a raising hand. Limp with a raising hand depend on your read and position

 

[Spewster]

Against an aggro-fish, openning our 4bet would be a good idea but how would you play if he isnt a fish but someone who knows what he's doing? How would you adapt to this player if you dont have the option of playing a different table?

In general, limping is - in the games current status- just an outright losing play, because it's almost impossible to balance your limping range, you have no initiative in the hand and you let the BB play without extracting information.

And by limping we mean either calling the BB to open or completing the SB. Being the 5th caller on the button with 98s is not limping.

The only way that comes to my mind where limping makes sense is limp raising in EP.

So if the player is not a fish, you'd have to find his weak spot. If he has a solid preflop game, you also have to play solid preflop and stack him in a different spot. You just cant say "well, I play GTO against fish, but when there is a shark coming along, I better adapt and play highly exploitable lines"

If you cant find his weak spots, you're not making money against this guy, so you'd avoid getting into hands with him.

Poker is a game of skill and if the other guy plays better or his style upsets you cause it's out of your comfort zone...power to him. He win, you lose.
And preflop is only 1st base. Think about what you are going to do, when you figure out, he's not riverbluffing often enough.

 

[xbronk]

works better in cash than in tournaments in sping go pokerstars you see a lot:help:

 

[Ian mcdonough]

Personally a lot of the time I never limp in but there is occasionally times where your playing against super aggro players who will squeeze limps at every opportunity so when you pick up a big hand you can come over the top that said they would probably raise over your 3 bet anyway so I would say most of the time limping isn't great as you want the pot to grow with these premium hands

 

[Zhud]

Limp is good when you are with a very strong hand on the SB and limp BB, which is very aggressive, he is re-raised on his raise

 

[swannymojo]

you can limp behind with speculative hands if someone open limped before, but never open limp unless the table is super soft

NEVER open limp? Even with low pockets or KJs from utg+2?

 

[Shrops]

Not sure

I don't limp with my premium hands. I always raise with these hands to thin out the number of players to see the flop. I prefer to only face one or two players at the flop or beyond. When I used to limp in; I would trapped myself into a big loss.

 

[Kassandra677]

I would have to disagree, but good luck.