I had a discussion with a floor man at Harrah's Las Vegas about this very thing. He indicated that the dealers are "happy when they make $1 tip per each hand" on average. In addition we went on to discuss that the average hands dealt per hour were around 22-28, with the "good dealers" on the higher end. With what I learned in that conversation I'd say your assert is spot on in terms of hourly tip rate IF they receive a $1 tip per hand.
layingbacguru:
Yes, I tip in live cash games. And have a few points to make.
- I don't tip because the dealer may be going home poor at the end of the day. I tip because it is customary to do so, just like tipping waitstaff or bartenders. Not tipping is cheap, stingy, greedy and flat out low class.
- When you don't tip the other players at the table notice. And trust me, they think of you as all of the above. If you're someone who cries when the table "picks on you" one way or another, chalk it up to people flat out not liking or respecting you. Which you probably don't care about anyway. :damnmate:
- Dealing poker is not unskilled labor. You obviously have never been designated dealer at even a home game. Your comments make me wonder if you don't have a low paying, unskilled labor job yourself and are just bitter because you don't get tipped.
- You talk about online rakes vs. casino rakes, but obviously lack the intelligence to put thought into it. Online poker has virtually no overhead. Yeah they have to pay for servers to run the software, bot those servers (even high end ones) cost in the thousands of dollars per month range. Consider that for a moment and consider how much of a rake they take. I would estimate upwards of 95% of their rake is pure profit. Casinos have to pay dealers, security, the lease on their building, etc. they're also often having to dump a large % of their profits back into their local community. I know our local casino only gets to keep 60% of their profits. In the end, online poker is just flat out incredibly cheap to run and so the rake they're taking from you is way more greed based.
- You talked about it being "hard enough" to crush 1/2 live games. Ever think you're just a poor player who shouldn't be playing 1/2 games period? Let's say you buy in for $100. 1/2 pots easily hit hundreds of dollars for a single hand. If you're having trouble taking down one decent pot per session then go find yourself another hobby. Then again, maybe everyone at the table has just decided not to give you action because you are so stingy. :dontknow:
- But why do I tip dealers? Because they provide me services I could not provide myself. First, I cannot setup a home game because that is illegal in my state. Second, even if I could set up a home game, I don't personally know 8 other people who play poker at high enough stakes to play 1/2 games. Third, I couldn't afford to pay them, manage their taxes, benefits, etc. All the things that go into having someone working for you. So yes, I tip and I tip generously because I appreciate what the dealer and casino are doing for me. :shakehand
I hope that sheds some light on the subject. And for trying to belittle those of us who do tip, enjoy. :thefinger
Yes, I tip in live cash games. And have a few points to make.
- I don't tip because the dealer may be going home poor at the end of the day. I tip because it is customary to do so, just like tipping waitstaff or bartenders. Not tipping is cheap, stingy, greedy and flat out low class.
- When you don't tip the other players at the table notice. And trust me, they think of you as all of the above. If you're someone who cries when the table "picks on you" one way or another, chalk it up to people flat out not liking or respecting you. Which you probably don't care about anyway. :damnmate:
- Dealing poker is not unskilled labor. You obviously have never been designated dealer at even a home game. Your comments make me wonder if you don't have a low paying, unskilled labor job yourself and are just bitter because you don't get tipped.
- You talk about online rakes vs. casino rakes, but obviously lack the intelligence to put thought into it. Online poker has virtually no overhead. Yeah they have to pay for servers to run the software, bot those servers (even high end ones) cost in the thousands of dollars per month range. Consider that for a moment and consider how much of a rake they take. I would estimate upwards of 95% of their rake is pure profit. Casinos have to pay dealers, security, the lease on their building, etc. they're also often having to dump a large % of their profits back into their local community. I know our local casino only gets to keep 60% of their profits. In the end, online poker is just flat out incredibly cheap to run and so the rake they're taking from you is way more greed based.
- You talked about it being "hard enough" to crush 1/2 live games. Ever think you're just a poor player who shouldn't be playing 1/2 games period? Let's say you buy in for $100. 1/2 pots easily hit hundreds of dollars for a single hand. If you're having trouble taking down one decent pot per session then go find yourself another hobby. Then again, maybe everyone at the table has just decided not to give you action because you are so stingy. :dontknow:
- But why do I tip dealers? Because they provide me services I could not provide myself. First, I cannot setup a home game because that is illegal in my state. Second, even if I could set up a home game, I don't personally know 8 other people who play poker at high enough stakes to play 1/2 games. Third, I couldn't afford to pay them, manage their taxes, benefits, etc. All the things that go into having someone working for you. So yes, I tip and I tip generously because I appreciate what the dealer and casino are doing for me. :shakehand
I hope that sheds some light on the subject. And for trying to belittle those of us who do tip, enjoy. :thefinger
When people enter into public places like businesses, they are interacting with other members of society in an understood "social contract". I walk into a store and if I want to buy an item, I pay the price marked on the item (plus taxes, usually) the merchant accepts my payment, and we are both satisfied. In other cultures and some situations in North American culture, there may be haggling or bargaining involved. When one goes to a bar or restaurant in NA, there is usually an accepted practice of tipping. The reasons for this can be debated, but the accepted practice is there and tacitly agreed to by Society. It simply is. "Everyone" knows that this is how it works. In many cases, Government regulated minimum wage standards (and income tax standards) take into account that there will be tipping. "Everyone" knows this, and acts accordingly.
Correct. Multi-billion dollar profitable casinos can easily afford it.
Not arguing revenue vs profit and winning vs nonwinning player. Dealer dealt me a winner I tip. If I choose to get involved in nonwinning situations that's my fault for not leaving while I was up.
