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MrUnlikely
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I get the general idea that no one can possibly beat you if you play GTO. Recently I have used a couple of GTO Apps for 5-10 minutes and felt like I was learning something. I feel with practice, I could emulate the type of play, although not exactly, I see in these GTO apps.
My concern is that I am not sure this would help me win. Would it? If I played very close to GTO would I be expected to have a good win rate?
My concerns are this:
If GTO tells me to triple barrel bluff with a draw (I am not sure it ever does this because 10 minutes isn't much) and the players I am playing against play pretty tight, then I will tend to fold out weak or medium strength hands on the turn and get stacked on the river by strong hands.
As a GTO strategy is unbeatable, does this mean that I simply get stacked in these situations, but make up for it by stacking them when I have a premium hand that beats their strong hand?
Also, on a paired flop say KK7, GTO says to bet 1/3 pot on a AJ and , from memory, fold to a raise. Again, I understand GTO is not exploitable, but if they play aggressively on paired boards, won't I overfold when I call, can't they just give up? Considering how rarely I would have a K that seems like a bad strategy. Is the answer that my understanding of the GTO play in this position is not correct and I should be calling a significant amount of the time, and maybe rearising sometimes? That is what I would tend to do vs tricky players.
Finally, I noted the last time I played that the SB was raising to 12BB when the initial raise was 3-4 BB. This seemed larger than I was used to and new. Would GTO teach me how to deal with these large preflop raises? (In the end I got annoyed and started rearising them and the result was a very high frequency fold from the SB, but I was expecting to eventually run into a premium hand and get hurt)
I am capable of adapting my play and would adapt if I saw something like someone bluffing frequently.
Is studying GTO a good way to improve from a slightly winning player to someone who could consider going professional? (For the record I am a losing player due to tilt, but my A game is certainly winning). I currently think my winrate is only slightly higher than the rake, so I might go from $100 to $400 over 10-20 hours of play of $25NL or $50NL but pay something like $300 or in rake which is sickening to me.
I am sure I have significant other leaks including a horrible redline. (is it redline when you are sticky and then fold?, or call large raise pre and fold when not hitting set)
I would be interested in what GTO trainers you guys recommend and what you think they will do for me.
I have always thought I should get some coaching, but I have no idea who to try. Coaches or people who have used coaches please let me know your rates and recommendations. What kind of rates are typical? $60 an hour? $100 an hour? I think initially, I would have obvious leaks that could be easily identified. Most of all, going all in pre with 33 because I am on tilt after a couple of unlucky hands.
Thank you in advance for your advice.
My concern is that I am not sure this would help me win. Would it? If I played very close to GTO would I be expected to have a good win rate?
My concerns are this:
If GTO tells me to triple barrel bluff with a draw (I am not sure it ever does this because 10 minutes isn't much) and the players I am playing against play pretty tight, then I will tend to fold out weak or medium strength hands on the turn and get stacked on the river by strong hands.
As a GTO strategy is unbeatable, does this mean that I simply get stacked in these situations, but make up for it by stacking them when I have a premium hand that beats their strong hand?
Also, on a paired flop say KK7, GTO says to bet 1/3 pot on a AJ and , from memory, fold to a raise. Again, I understand GTO is not exploitable, but if they play aggressively on paired boards, won't I overfold when I call, can't they just give up? Considering how rarely I would have a K that seems like a bad strategy. Is the answer that my understanding of the GTO play in this position is not correct and I should be calling a significant amount of the time, and maybe rearising sometimes? That is what I would tend to do vs tricky players.
Finally, I noted the last time I played that the SB was raising to 12BB when the initial raise was 3-4 BB. This seemed larger than I was used to and new. Would GTO teach me how to deal with these large preflop raises? (In the end I got annoyed and started rearising them and the result was a very high frequency fold from the SB, but I was expecting to eventually run into a premium hand and get hurt)
I am capable of adapting my play and would adapt if I saw something like someone bluffing frequently.
Is studying GTO a good way to improve from a slightly winning player to someone who could consider going professional? (For the record I am a losing player due to tilt, but my A game is certainly winning). I currently think my winrate is only slightly higher than the rake, so I might go from $100 to $400 over 10-20 hours of play of $25NL or $50NL but pay something like $300 or in rake which is sickening to me.
I am sure I have significant other leaks including a horrible redline. (is it redline when you are sticky and then fold?, or call large raise pre and fold when not hitting set)
I would be interested in what GTO trainers you guys recommend and what you think they will do for me.
I have always thought I should get some coaching, but I have no idea who to try. Coaches or people who have used coaches please let me know your rates and recommendations. What kind of rates are typical? $60 an hour? $100 an hour? I think initially, I would have obvious leaks that could be easily identified. Most of all, going all in pre with 33 because I am on tilt after a couple of unlucky hands.
Thank you in advance for your advice.
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