Hi,

I need some feedback on whether there is actually any point playing these such small stake games if I am trying to make money off poker.

I deposited $25 and i've only played a few couple of hour sessions and my bankroll is at $26.50. Should I not just try the next highest because I find it really boring at the amount of money I'm winning.

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks

I read that you should not move up in stakes until you at least double your money. I think that’s good advice.

Originally Posted by burkey55

Hi,

I need some feedback on whether there is actually any point playing these such small stake games if I am trying to make money off poker.

I deposited $25 and i've only played a few couple of hour sessions and my bankroll is at $26.50. Should I not just try the next highest because I find it really boring at the amount of money I'm winning.

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks

It all depends on what you are looking to get out of poker.

Multi table em’

I think for $ 26. It is good to play Tournaments on Saturdays and Sundays in the area from $0.55-to $3.30. If on PokerStars. If on GGPoker there are also a lot of tournaments from $1 to $2.10. You can safely play. Well, that sounds like me. Otherwise, I would have charged $25 to the cache. Yes, I'm crazy.

HI. IN THE BEGINNING I PLAYED ENOUGH TO PRACTICE, THEN YOU WILL LEVEL UP WITH LEVEL EXPERIENCE.

Originally Posted by burkey55

Hi,

I need some feedback on whether there is actually any point playing these such small stake games if I am trying to make money off poker.

I deposited $25 and i've only played a few couple of hour sessions and my bankroll is at $26.50. Should I not just try the next highest because I find it really boring at the amount of money I'm winning.

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks

You need to enjoy playing poker, so I advise you to play on bets that are fun to play, if of course you can afford it

The bankroll you have does not allow you to go to the 2/5, you need to make it higher, at least to triple it, to go to the next buy-in.

No, you can`t, you will lose your bank if you move higher right now

I think we all want to win money fast, but you need to go step by step. I know you want to win more money, but until you dominate your actual level and increase your bankroll, it’s too risky to move up to the next level in my opinion.

I prefer other games with a 50$ stack..

Like 25 cents spin and goes, or 25 18 players..

If you get like 100$ you can play HU, i love HU

If fun is your priority, playing at high rates is also a good option.
Bankroll management is just a way to prevent bankruptcy, not a way to have fun.

Why don't you try MTT? The investment is not that much higher and you can earn way more money than what you're doing right now.

If you just start to play poker, 2NL is fine, playing at least a few weeks to see if you can defeat opponents in this level. And just move to higher stake when you have enough bankroll (at least 40-100x buy-ins) and confidence of your skills.

The higher the risk, the greater the return. It is impossible to win a lot quickly without risking losing everything at once. Want more adrenaline? Try to play without observing bankroll management, if successful, the winnings will be significant, and if unsuccessful, you will have to make a Deposit again.

Hi! I think the minimum bids are suitable for entry-level training. When you're just learning. And with a very small bankroll. If you do well, you need to take the level higher. Well, still follow the rules of matching the bankroll rates.

I deposit $30-$50 every 2 weeks, and I usually play on .05/.10 stakes on cash games.. I play about 1-2 hours on the table and usually double to triple my buyin....and I do get what you mean by getting a little bored winning so little when playing for a lot of time , so I best prefer you move up the stakes if your looking to get a little more from your game... Just move up a stake or two to satisfy your needs

I think you should start with low stakes and tournaments and then with practice you go up.

Thanks for all the advice guys. Going to look into a bankroll strategy and stick to it.

Cheers.

Yes. I started at 2nl and built my roll from there. Gotta start somewhere and learn the basics. Or build a roll if you're experienced.

Originally Posted by burkey55

I need some feedback on whether there is actually any point playing these such small stake games if I am trying to make money off poker.

The short answer is no. You are never going to win meaningfull money at 2NL, especially not when PokerStars has limited multitabling to 4 tables. Players are also not quite as bad these days as 15 years ago, where you could just 24-table on autopilot and get a decent hourly winrate that way. Plus there has been inflation and so on and so forth.

Even Blackrain79, who got famous for doing this, do not recommend it as a strategy today. If you want to play poker for profit, you need to get to 10NL at a minimum, and even then the profit is only meaningfull, if you live in a low salary country.

Originally Posted by burkey55

I deposited $25 and i've only played a few couple of hour sessions and my bankroll is at $26.50. Should I not just try the next highest because I find it really boring at the amount of money I'm winning.

Well in that case I have some bad news for you. To play poker for profit, you need to be a winning player, and to become a winning player requires a lot of practice. Maybe 100.000 hands before you can really say for sure. So you have a lot of work cut out for you.

If you find 2NL boring, there is no problem with praticing at 5NL, but you are still not going to win a lot of money there. And you also need to set some more money aside. At a minimum 100$, and 150-200$ is better. Otherwise the variance will almost certainly wipe you out.

Finally stop seeing 26,5$ as a "bankroll". A bankroll is an amount of money, that cannot easily be replaced, and which you therefore need to protect. 26,5$ can easily be replaced, so its not a bankroll. Its just some random meaningless amount sitting in your poker account right now.

In my opinion, multi tabling 2nl is worth it. Playing one table of 2nl not so much.

My honest advice is to play something around twenty thousand hands on current level then if you are still winning then you can go up. Banroll management doesn't need to be too tight in micro stakes. 10-15 BIs are more than enough until you reach 25nl+

Originally Posted by burkey55

Hi,

I need some feedback on whether there is actually any point playing these such small stake games if I am trying to make money off poker.

I deposited $25 and i've only played a few couple of hour sessions and my bankroll is at $26.50. Should I not just try the next highest because I find it really boring at the amount of money I'm winning.

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks

Just starting out you should master each level and move up from there. You should have at least 20 buy ins (some like more) in bankroll for what stake you want to play. If you want to move up to say 2/5nl then $100 in bankroll to cover downswings. Remember .01/.02 is the entry level for most online poker rooms and $1/$2 is the normal entry live at live casinos. So the level of play at $1/$2 online will vary considerable from that of the same stake playing live.

I would be bored of wasting time on such small bets

Originally Posted by burkey55

Hi,

I need some feedback on whether there is actually any point playing these such small stake games if I am trying to make money off poker.

If you're trying to make money off of poker, you'll have to be able to beat the higher games, and have a bankroll capable of handling the swings of those games. If this is a serious objective, you should be willing to invest the time and money needed to achieve it. There is no reason you can't play the games you are bankrolled for, and deposit a little money each month to help accelerate your ability to play in higher games.

At the micros, you should have at least 20-30 buy-ins for the level you're playing at. And, if you lose money, you need to step down to the next lower level until you're back at the bankroll for the higher games. 2NL is a special case, as any money you have below $100 (the bankroll for 5NL) is enough for 2NL because you can't move down. If you have $8, you're bankrolled for 2NL. But, you have a long way to go before reaching the $100 for the next level up. As you get above 50NL, you'll want to have 40-60 buy-ins for the level. With $25, you're limited to 2NL. If you put $25 in every two weeks, and slowly keep winning, you'll eventually get over $100 online and can move to 5NL.

It is important to actually play though, because being able to beat the micros will provide you with the fundamentals required as you move up. And, winning will also accelerate your bankroll growth. Don't think of it as money, it's your bankroll. Think about how many BB you need to earn to get to the next level. Winning $2.30 isn't winning less than the cost of a beer, it's winning 115 BB towards moving to the next level. You're closing the gap. It looks like you have 3,675 BB until 5NL, so start chipping away at that number. Throwing some more money onto the site will cut that down very fast, but every little bit counts. Also, as you get above the mircos, you will not be able/want to add enough money to move up. You'll want to earn enough to move up only from your play.

Study the game and learn to play better. You'll make mistakes, it's better to make them when you're playing the micros. You'll save a lot of money.

I deposited $25 and i've only played a few couple of hour sessions and my bankroll is at $26.50. Should I not just try the next highest because I find it really boring at the amount of money I'm winning.

This statement and its lack of detail scares me. How are you tracking your results? How are you analyzing your play and learning from it, so you can improve? Do you have PT4 or HEM? If not, you need to invest in one of these tools. Consider it one of the costs of making money off poker. Even if you don't use the HUD (which is beneficial), the record keeping and the ability to review/analyze your play is essential. It will keep you honest about your results, and it will allow you to find and correct leaks.

2NL is great for getting better as losing money will be no big deal and you can learn from your mistakes. I recommend when you have a good sample at 2NL and know that you're a winning player you can deposit more money and move up to 5NL or 10NL right away. There's no point of playing the next stake if you're not beating the lower one.

I think it's worth playing 1/2 cents.

It's fun when you win but you can also trick your brain for it to be fun when you lose as well. It can also be an efficient way to practice on real money strategies with a very small cost.

sure cause you can still learn to impprove your game

I would raise the stakes as my bankroll increased ..... Stepping up can bring big gains as well as huge losses. Good hands.

Originally Posted by burkey55

Hola,

necesito algunos comentarios sobre si realmente tiene algún sentido jugar estos juegos de apuestas pequeñas si estoy tratando de ganar dinero con el póquer.

Deposité $ 25 y solo he jugado un par de sesiones de un par de horas y mi bankroll es de $ 26.50. ¿No debería simplemente probar el siguiente valor más alto porque lo encuentro realmente aburrido por la cantidad de dinero que estoy ganando?

Se agradece cualquier consejo.

Gracias

Si eres un principiante en el póquer, deberías leer mucho para ganar dinero y practicar. Si quieres ser un ganador en el póquer, tienes que leer artículos o lo que sea sobre póquer y practicar.

My opinion is that it is not worth playing at such a small limit. The variance is very high due to the unpredictable play of the players. But there are exceptions, if it goes well then why would you stop? "it's boring you make little money" believe me, after a bad day when you fail half of your stacked then you don't think so

Originally Posted by vinnie

If you're trying to make money off of poker, you'll have to be able to beat the higher games, and have a bankroll capable of handling the swings of those games. If this is a serious objective, you should be willing to invest the time and money needed to achieve it. There is no reason you can't play the games you are bankrolled for, and deposit a little money each month to help accelerate your ability to play in higher games.

At the micros, you should have at least 20-30 buy-ins for the level you're playing at. And, if you lose money, you need to step down to the next lower level until you're back at the bankroll for the higher games. 2NL is a special case, as any money you have below $100 (the bankroll for 5NL) is enough for 2NL because you can't move down. If you have $8, you're bankrolled for 2NL. But, you have a long way to go before reaching the $100 for the next level up. As you get above 50NL, you'll want to have 40-60 buy-ins for the level. With $25, you're limited to 2NL. If you put $25 in every two weeks, and slowly keep winning, you'll eventually get over $100 online and can move to 5NL.

It is important to actually play though, because being able to beat the micros will provide you with the fundamentals required as you move up. And, winning will also accelerate your bankroll growth. Don't think of it as money, it's your bankroll. Think about how many BB you need to earn to get to the next level. Winning $2.30 isn't winning less than the cost of a beer, it's winning 115 BB towards moving to the next level. You're closing the gap. It looks like you have 3,675 BB until 5NL, so start chipping away at that number. Throwing some more money onto the site will cut that down very fast, but every little bit counts. Also, as you get above the mircos, you will not be able/want to add enough money to move up. You'll want to earn enough to move up only from your play.

Study the game and learn to play better. You'll make mistakes, it's better to make them when you're playing the micros. You'll save a lot of money.

This statement and its lack of detail scares me. How are you tracking your results? How are you analyzing your play and learning from it, so you can improve? Do you have PT4 or HEM? If not, you need to invest in one of these tools. Consider it one of the costs of making money off poker. Even if you don't use the HUD (which is beneficial), the record keeping and the ability to review/analyze your play is essential. It will keep you honest about your results, and it will allow you to find and correct leaks.

Cheers for the advice mate. Very helpful

Thanks again everyone for the advice!

You don't even have a bankroll for NL2 tbh. I also started with $25 and my plan was grind the 25c sit and go's until I had minimum $60 for NL2. I had a great run in an MTT I took a stab at and got $98 which completely cut out the SnG grind (very grateful for that lol).

Look an NL2 as your practice grounds not a way to make money, if you started playing tennis tomorrow you wouldn't hop on the pro tour expecting to make money straight away, you'd have to learn and get better as an amateur. Try and see poker as the same mindset.

I think once you can prove to yourself you are a winner, you should move up. The play at 2NL is very poor and the rake is high.

It depends on what you wan´t to get with poker. If you just play for fun, do as your heart says. But if you play to try to make a living of it, i advice you to stay there until you accumulate some experience.Anyway, gl.

no it very important to stay at a lvl were u feel comfortable to start and with a 25 dollar a bank roll u wont last very long it the higher stake i been
play poker for 25 years i feel it best to build up ur account and work and grind ur way up to higher lvls if u jump up to soon u get eaten alive (this being say ur new to the game) i started with 1 c 2 c game and now play a lot of 1/2 and 2/5 games and i buy in to games as high as 215 and better

You can't "make money" at NL2. This is just a "school". "Must" school.

I think it's worth playing.

If the principal is made double, I think you should go up to an upper stakes.

Originally Posted by fundiver199

Finally stop seeing 26,5$ as a "bankroll". A bankroll is an amount of money, that cannot easily be replaced, and which you therefore need to protect. 26,5$ can easily be replaced, so its not a bankroll. Its just some random meaningless amount sitting in your poker account right now.

I don't think you have the right to tell anyone what money is easy to replace or not. To some people yes $26 is nothing but to others thats a decent chunk of change. If op wants to consider that a bankroll he absolutely can. Also technically a bankroll is the amount of money you have available to use for poker, if thats 25 or 2500 its whatever you determine, so you are both out of line and incorrect here. And finally, whatever money you won is not meaningless, he started at $25 and is at $26.5, yeah its not a ton but he something he worked for and earned, I don't see anyone saying your bankroll is worthless and meaningless. Lets be a bit more considerate to the newer players instead of bashing them

I would say you should stick to those stakes and only go higher if you consistenly make final tables in the lower stakes.

It depends on your experience. In my opinion it's always good to try out a higher level game. Then you know what it's like to play over there. Thats the only way to see if you are prepared or not. And you should keep in mind that you are willing to loose that amount of money.

Playing small money games gets you some experience before you
play in the bigger money games.

First play in 2NL there you will improve without hesitation and then go up to 5NL, when you feel capable and secure.

if the stakes are 1/2 cents it depends on the buy in max. if they allow you to buy in like $100 or more than its a good game ill say. $25 is not much for live cash so play tournament that are $1-$5 buy in the MTT and learn that way and maybe you get lucky with a big payout.

For the value of this type of tournaments it is very difficult to win, it is practically like play money tournaments. It plays bad, you find that they go with anything

If you are having fun yes. If you are not having fun it can be too frustrating.

Originally Posted by burkey55

Hi,

I need some feedback on whether there is actually any point playing these such small stake games if I am trying to make money off poker.

I deposited $25 and i've only played a few couple of hour sessions and my bankroll is at $26.50. Should I not just try the next highest because I find it really boring at the amount of money I'm winning.

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks

With this bankroll I would keep playing 1/2 cent cash, as you're doing, until I double it. Less than $1 tourneys (no turbos nor hypers) and, of course, freerools as well.

Best of luck

That depends of what your definition of worth it is. If you generally love playing poker then yes. If you are trying to make more than 3 dollars in 5 hours then no.