If you play JJ, QQ, 10,10 like this, your playing them wrong.

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I'm a live cash game player and have a little venting to do. It might help some of you, and people are welcome to disagree.

I see lots of tournament regulars make the same play with Queens, Jacks and Tens in a cash game. Well be sitting 2/5 or 5/10 and a player that regularly makes it 3 or 4x to go will suddenly push 10x+ or all in pre-flop. Its a tell tale sign of a poor player, playing one of these three hands.

Its a terrible play because of the possible outcomes after going all in, or being re-raised. A super strong push like this is inviting Kings or Aces to call or re-raise all in, and puts the player with the QQ, JJ, or 1010 in a terrible spot. Nothing else is going to call you. The times you pick up the 15 or 7 dollars worth of blinds will not make up for the times you are called and get felted.

Don't be scared of these hands, they are quality hands, but you don't want to be asking for a better hand to call you. Going all in, or making huge raises is only putting your chip stack in danger in cash games. Its a bad play, and not worth it.
 
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I agree that is a very poor way to play these hands but I might have some insight as to whay it happens. You commented that it's a sign
of a poor player and again I have to agree.

It only takes a few times of getting your QQ, JJ, or 10 10 busted by raising a 3X or 4X BB and haivng an overcard hit that people panic with these hands and would rather take all the skill out of the hand and play bingo with them.

Players would do better to realize that while these are great starting hands they are not invincible and isn't it better to make a standard raise to entice a caller with out risking your whole stack? Be prepared to dump them if overcards hit when you're called and save your bankroll some damage. Post flop play is where you make your money and requires some skill to be really successful, many new or poor players aren't comfortable with that and would rather shove and cross their fingers.
 
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I wish live multitabling was possible
 
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lol you guys are funny, but i feel its bad to push all in with any hand in cash games but thats just the way i play them.
 
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lol you guys are funny, but i feel its bad to push all in with any hand in cash games but thats just the way i play them.

are you serious?



WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD
 
Tygran

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here's another vote for live multitabling.


oh the possibilities that would open up....

I'm tempted to try it next time I'm near a casino. Get two tables close enough together and why not?

/probably not allowed, would be fun to try once
 
white_lytning

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Its bad etiquette.

Some people try to do it. Whats more common is they will try to play a sit n go while playing a cash game. Its not fair to the guys playing the cash games to have a seat without a player for that amount of time. Even if you try to play two cash games you will miss a lot of hands and the people will get upset. You just got to make sure the casino you play at has automatic shufflers, they let you see a lot more hands.
 
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yes that is the wrong play to do i usually can pick out donks like that.
 
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I don't see how they're playing it wrong if they're doing everything they're allowed to. Its not like they're breaking any rules or anything, right? If thats how they wish to play, then so be it but there is nothing wrong about it. Thats like saying someone who raises every hand PF is playing wrong.
 
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Well got to agree that its not something I would do often (maybe short stacked) but I have seen it happen alot. Its almost a bad as the all in cos Ax hit an ace on the flop. But then again Philthy also makes a valid point...IT AINT AGAINST THE RULES!!!!
 
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I don't think that whether or not it was against the rules was what was meant by the OP saying it was wrong. He was talking from the viewpoint of optimal poker strategy. Yes you are allowed to do this but is it the correct play? Maybe if he had used the word incorrect instead of wrong it would have been clearer.
 
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Who was it who mentioned that folks don't go somewhere to play poker to fold?

Live poker multi-tabling. I'm seeing a smörgåsbord type thing. Lol, lines of players walking to their elevated tables like lemmings to a net......
 
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Live poker multi-tabling. I'm seeing a smörgåsbord type thing. Lol, lines of players walking to their elevated tables like lemmings to a net......

wat
 
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One thing that's very important to understand. You should only care what your opponent's ROI is to the extent that it helps you put him on a range of hands.

Players can (and will) make every strange move that's allowed within the rules. The majority of them are long-term losing players who make bad decisions. That's their business, and bless 'em, because they make it possible for us to win.

They also liven up a table. There's nothing more boring than playing at a full table where everyone's playing ABC poker.
 
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And yet another thriving example of a good thread gone bad. . . .

Great point, OP, and a very valid observation; however, rather than being mad about it, use it to your advantage! (Some players are always gonna play like that. . . .)

As to the rest of you (whoever started the whole "live-multitabling" thing), I have this to say: :goodnight
 
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isnt 10x pfr standard live cash? at 1/2 it is.

and lol thats even 2/5 and 5/10 ur saying, bwahaha awesome I cant wait till im 21 to check vegas out

:D
 
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I'm a live cash game player and have a little venting to do. It might help some of you, and people are welcome to disagree.

I see lots of tournament regulars make the same play with Queens, Jacks and Tens in a cash game. Well be sitting 2/5 or 5/10 and a player that regularly makes it 3 or 4x to go will suddenly push 10x+ or all in pre-flop. Its a tell tale sign of a poor player, playing one of these three hands.

Its a terrible play because of the possible outcomes after going all in, or being re-raised. A super strong push like this is inviting Kings or Aces to call or re-raise all in, and puts the player with the QQ, JJ, or 1010 in a terrible spot. Nothing else is going to call you. The times you pick up the 15 or 7 dollars worth of blinds will not make up for the times you are called and get felted.

Don't be scared of these hands, they are quality hands, but you don't want to be asking for a better hand to call you. Going all in, or making huge raises is only putting your chip stack in danger in cash games. Its a bad play, and not worth it.

I agree with this.

I played QQ and JJ bad a lot of times, I think with theese 2 hands are more the times I lost than the times I won :(:D
 
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Sorry, but if your stack is only 10xbb then shoving w QQ is absolutely correct no matter who opened for the initial raise, or if you are opening first yourself, or moving in on the flop no matter what comes. Yes, in a cash game too. Are you going to raise to 3-4x bb, then fold to a reraise when you only have 6-7x back?
 
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