hey guys, i installed my hud yesterday and got to grips with what the stats all mean, and i was surprised at the low numbers of a nit.....omg how can they expect to get action when they do finally decide to bet a hand?.....thanks to the hud i faced about 2 raises in 200 hands by this particular nit and everyone folded, including me.....thanks to my hud......if i never had the hud i would prob have 3 betted as i had ace jack.......im not good at reading players without a hud at the moment because im new and trying to do the best i can, and its a hell of a lot to take in when trying to learn everything at once....

but anyway, how do nits make money?.....they never bet and when they do everyone will respect that bet and fold.....also it must be incredibly boring to be a nit, sitting there folding all the time......i think i would rather be a donkey than a nit tbh atleast it would be more fun

They take money from spaz fish who does not pay attention.

I'm a nit at low stakes and it works cos lots of the players are really dumb or else they don't care. You could only play AA and KK and still get action. This is in tournaments though, not sure what cash is like.

You will find nits at any level but oddly enough, as bluff says, you could literally play AA/KK early stages and still get action and at micros peopel are that bad, they are not paying attention if you had played 1 hand out of 100 if they have 55 or A,J they are willing to get stacks in.

Nits make money simply by playing ABC poker at micros, bet when they have it and fold when they don't. People will still pay them off to make it worthwhile. The vast majority of nits will be mass multi tabling, meaning each decision is very easy so they can play a very nitty game and with the amount of volume they are getting in, they will profit.

Originally Posted by RodneyC86

They take money from spaz fish who does not pay attention.

still not making a huge profit though, even the spaz fish can spot a nit

Originally Posted by BluffYou123

I'm a nit at low stakes and it works cos lots of the players are really dumb or else they don't care. You could only play AA and KK and still get action. This is in tournaments though, not sure what cash is like.

yeah it would maybe work in tournaments until the blinds starting getting bigger then you would have to make a move....

Originally Posted by alyoung

still not making a huge profit though, even the spaz fish can spot a nit

You would be surprised. I know of low/mid/high stake players who play a very ABC nitty game making in excess of 100k$$$$'s a year playing like 20+ tables at a time.
Spaz fish also don't spot a nit, they spaz to nits/fish/loose/anyone, you might just think they do, if for soem reason they fold to a nit at one point. Spaz fish just gamble, regardless.

Originally Posted by alyoung

yeah it would maybe work in tournaments until the blinds starting getting bigger then you would have to make a move....

Of course but because of playing nitty early on you will get more respect from some players later in the game.

Originally Posted by alyoung

i would rather be a donkey than a nit

I would rather be a nit, with a cuppla fish at the table.

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nits go home with there cash donkeys well lets leave it at that !

You would be MUCH better off being a nit than a donk. Very slow but fairly steady.

Pokerstars should just ban nits, nobody likes them and they offer nothing to the game.

Yup nits dont bring anything to the game, they should ban players who go under a certain vpip score

Originally Posted by absoluthamm

You would be MUCH better off being a nit than a donk. Very slow but fairly steady.

Yep, nitty is the way to play the game at the micros, especially if you're just learning the game. You can expand to other styles later, as your game grows. FWIW, all the other scorned styles work at the low micros as well.... Fit/Fold, Weak/Tight, etc. you can make money with all of these since there will be donks waiting to pay you off often enough to make it profitable.

Now, obviously, you won't be as profitable as a good TAG, or a good LAG, but the key here is "good". At the micros you'll often see players try to play these styles, but play them poorly. Best, or at least cheapest, to learn the game as a nit and grow from there. Much more expensive to try to learn the game as a LAG from day one.

Originally Posted by BlueNowhere

Pokerstars should just ban nits, nobody likes them and they offer nothing to the game.

Didn't realize they were there to be liked . Thought they were there to make money and, possibly, to learn the game if they are new.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like nits and I would much rather have donks at my table than nits, but if I was to choose for myself to play one of the two "styles" over the other, it would definitely be nitty.

Originally Posted by Big_Rudy

Yep, nitty is the way to play the game at the micros, especially if you're just learning the game. You can expand to other styles later, as your game grows. FWIW, all the other scorned styles work at the low micros as well.... Fit/Fold, Weak/Tight, etc. you can make money with all of these since there will be donks waiting to pay you off often enough to make it profitable.

Now, obviously, you won't be as profitable as a good TAG, or a good LAG, but the key here is "good". At the micros you'll often see players try to play these styles, but play them poorly. Best, or at least cheapest, to learn the game as a nit and grow from there. Much more expensive to try to learn the game as a LAG from day one.



Didn't realize they were there to be liked . Thought they were there to make money and, possibly, to learn the game if they are new.

Interesting thanks......so as a new player myself you dont recommend I play a lag/tag style.....I thought I was a tag until I had the hud on last night and my vpip and pfr was above 30....so that would make me a lag right?....although I was getting some tasty hands and always raise instead of limping regardless of my position....with there being a few nits at the table I was only playing against 2 or 3 people in the hands I played.....should I adopt the dreaded nit style and mix it up with a lagtag now and again or stick to being a nit?....its not they style I see myself playing in the future but if that's the way you should approach it when first learning then, hey I will take your advice and run with it....thanks

Originally Posted by absoluthamm

Don't get me wrong, I don't like nits and I would much rather have donks at my table than nits, but if I was to choose for myself to play one of the two "styles" over the other, it would definitely be nitty.

If you were just playing 1 table, would you still play nitty?....or would you only do that when playing multi tables as it wouldn't be so boring....

As i think that you need to play some game without money with your friends and when you think that you have good hands on game then go for casino or any other place where you can earn.

Originally Posted by Ethenhunt06

As i think that you need to play some game without money with your friends and when you think that you have good hands on game then go for casino or any other place where you can earn.

I disagree. Whereas I love playing with friends, there are a ton of distractions to really learn the game in the proper manner(drinking, music, talking, TV, etc). Even though I can't stand it, I would recommend online play money play before friend play(in most cases) because you're going to see more hands and situations, albeit not common in a real game(very rarely would the entire table go all in preflop in a real money game).

Yeah I agree, I played with my mates a couple of times and its just abit fun, not good for learning! Too many distractions namely girls, food and beer

Play money online poker is just bingo imo, there's more shipping than there is at amazon

Originally Posted by alyoung

or would you only do that when playing multi tables as it wouldn't be so boring....

It's sposed to be boring.

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Originally Posted by JusSumguy

It's sposed to be boring.

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Unless you're tony g, all about the heart

Originally Posted by alyoung

Interesting thanks......so as a new player myself you dont recommend I play a lag/tag style.....I thought I was a tag until I had the hud on last night and my vpip and pfr was above 30....so that would make me a lag right?....although I was getting some tasty hands and always raise instead of limping regardless of my position....with there being a few nits at the table I was only playing against 2 or 3 people in the hands I played.....should I adopt the dreaded nit style and mix it up with a lagtag now and again or stick to being a nit?....its not they style I see myself playing in the future but if that's the way you should approach it when first learning then, hey I will take your advice and run with it....thanks

The fewer tables you play, the more you can afford to open it up a little bit, assuming you are paying attention to the table dynamics, etc. As for the rest.... If you are already playing LAG/TAG and winning with it over a decent-sized sample, then go with it, if it's working for you.

I would say for most new players, however, that the optimal learning progression would be something like Nit--->Tag --->Lag with actually a fair number of players just stopping once they reach Tag. It's not that nit style is optimal, it isn't imo. It's just that it's easy to learn and build your game slowly without going broke trying to learn Tag/Lag when you don't have a rock-solid grasp of the basics first.

^^^ I agree, although I think the top is when you are playing each player differently. ie.. stealing from nits, raising loose passive players to isolate, value betting callers etc. Most people at the table have no clue what you are doing; they each have incorrect impressions of your style.

Originally Posted by absoluthamm

You would be MUCH better off being a nit than a donk. Very slow but fairly steady.

Being a nit is not nearly as fun, but is obviously much more profitable in the long run. And it seems with the limited availabilty of poker players online, it is hard for me to spot a fish at even the lower limit games. Therefore, I am probably the fish that everyone feeds off of.

Originally Posted by BlueNowhere

Pokerstars should just ban nits, nobody likes them and they offer nothing to the game.

I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not, but I deplore Double Ups for this reason: it rewards nit play at the expense of an aggressive player who does most of the dirty work in thinning out the table.

Originally Posted by 4thandinches

I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not, but I deplore Double Ups for this reason: it rewards nit play at the expense of an aggressive player who does most of the dirty work in thinning out the table.

...or, it's nice to have a LAG at the table. They thin the table, and pile the duckets, so's the nit can double up.

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Try not to let ego get in the way, "I'm no nit, I'm the next Blom/Dwan/whoever!"

We shouldn't try to play one 'style' as such, cos we all know poker is more complicated than that.

Originally Posted by alyoung

i would rather be a donkey than a nit tbh

I'm guessing you've got nothing to worry about then

Originally Posted by RodneyC86

They take money from spaz fish who does not pay attention.

Which was a great strategy I employed in 2004/5/6...

But now when most of the players at 10 cent 25 cent have HUDs up and running and know first three posehow to adjust to nittiness, you are actually making it quite impossible to become a winning player at real stakes by playing overly nitty.

Believe me; ive been there and reinforcing nitty habits isnt productive.

Wanna be a nit...be a nit in three positions in FR or 2 at 6 max....mmm, more like 1....

I would like to be a nit in micro im not but dey get the money

Dont let the terminology define you. Good players use the nit and donkey charecteristic to push their advantage. Sometimes you have to be a nit. Sometimes its good to play the donkey. We've all done it. Good playing is much more than whose a nit and whose a donkey.

Change the title of this thread to "I would rather be a loser than a winner" please.

Originally Posted by pokerchris

Change the title of this thread to "I would rather have fun and pay a few dollars an hour than be boring and win a few cents an hour" please.

fyp.

Originally Posted by alyoung

Unless you're tony g, all about the heart

So not true.

Seriously though 4 months after making this post and I still feel the same way....I really do not like nits....I've nothing against them personaly, I'm sure they are great people, but I really do think nits spoil the game of poker.........(For themselves)............its fairly easy to play against them unless you are in a tourney and you are getting blinded down and ship it with 1010 and the nit calls......well he's got AA-AK-KK and bam hits the flop......that part annoys the shite out of me....playing them in cash games (2nl) is not really worthwhile....stealing their blinds doesn't amount to much and when a super fish is at the table and nit boy raises pre in LP 'lol' you know you are gonna have to fold the SB.....fishy calls from the BB and gets felted by the nit.....that's annoying.....somebody said poker is supposed to be boring, 'I dont think so, its supposed to be fun' ....well for me it does anyway.....will that make me a losing player.....hell no......lags are the future....not at the micros but in low stakes and tourneys deffo.....there is a hell of a lot of nits on cc....I dislike your style of play very much lol

Originally Posted by AlfieAA

Seriously though 4 months after making this post and I still feel the same way....I really do not like nits....I've nothing against them personaly, I'm sure they are great people, but I really do think nits spoil the game of poker.........(For themselves)............its fairly easy to play against them unless you are in a tourney and you are getting blinded down and ship it with 1010 and the nit calls......well he's got AA-AK-KK and bam hits the flop......that part annoys the shite out of me....playing them in cash games (2nl) is not really worthwhile....stealing their blinds doesn't amount to much and when a super fish is at the table and nit boy raises pre in LP 'lol' you know you are gonna have to fold the SB.....fishy calls the BB and gets felted by the nit.....that's annoying.....somebody said poker is supposed to be boring, 'I dont think so, its supposed to be fun' ....well for me it does anyway.....will that make me a losing player.....hell no......lags are the future....not at the micros but in low stakes and tourneys deffo.....there is a hell of a lot of nits on cc....I dislike your style of play very much lol

LOL and I was going to nit it up in my first league game but now I guess I will go with my normal style.

Originally Posted by bz54321

LOL and I was going to nit it up in my first league game but now I guess I will go with my normal style.

Hahahaha, nah you won't need to nit it up in the league mate that's for sure lol...always guaranteed to have atleast 8 nits at a league table....but there is new guys this season so I will pm to let you know....

So let me get this straight, after 4 months you're still playing 2NL and still moaning about nits? Sounds like you need to work on your game. Or move up to where the games are easily beatable owing to complete lack of nits.

Originally Posted by Cafeman31

So let me get this straight, after 4 months you're still playing 2NL and still moaning about nits? Sounds like you need to work on your game. Or move up to where the games are easily beatable owing to complete lack of nits.

Well for a start I've been playing on 1 table....(100 hands a day) learning the game.....and I've beat 2nl FR but tilted my BR taking shots at 6max.....nits are not a problem for me at cash games.....and I'm learning everyday

Fair enough. You'll probably find fewer nits at 6max too.

I'm surprised though, cos when I look at a 10NL 6max game for example I would say the most represented player type there is the loose passive.

Originally Posted by AlfieAA

but anyway, how do nits make money?.....they never bet and when they do everyone will respect that bet and fold.....also it must be incredibly boring to be a nit, sitting there folding all the time......i think i would rather be a donkey than a nit tbh atleast it would be more fun

You shouldn't prefer being a donkey. Donkeys may have more fun than nits, but nits don't lose anywhere near as much as donkeys. As to how nits make money, that's an easy answer. Most of the people you play with are basically playing group Solitaire. They're not paying attention, not getting a line on other players, not thinking beyond the cards in their own hands.

They don't know Mr. Nit is a nit, and will call with what looks like a decent hand without regard for what Mr. Nit might be holding for him to put in the first raise in a dozen orbits.

Nits also manipulate their table image to disguise the way they really play. If some people are kinda paying attention, nitty players might be able to fool them into thinking they're looser than they really are.

Nits might win a little, leave way too much value on the table by missing thin value, play too predictably to get good hands really paid off. They also aren't gonna rack up losses like a donkey either. Donkeys may have more "fun", but they also pay for that "entertainment".

Originally Posted by AlfieAA

Seriously though 4 months after making this post and I still feel the same way....I really do not like nits....I've nothing against them personaly, I'm sure they are great people, but I really do think nits spoil the game of poker.........(For themselves)............its fairly easy to play against them unless you are in a tourney and you are getting blinded down and ship it with 1010 and the nit calls......well he's got AA-AK-KK and bam hits the flop......that part annoys the shite out of me....playing them in cash games (2nl) is not really worthwhile....stealing their blinds doesn't amount to much and when a super fish is at the table and nit boy raises pre in LP 'lol' you know you are gonna have to fold the SB.....fishy calls from the BB and gets felted by the nit.....that's annoying.....somebody said poker is supposed to be boring, 'I dont think so, its supposed to be fun' ....well for me it does anyway.....will that make me a losing player.....hell no......lags are the future....not at the micros but in low stakes and tourneys deffo.....there is a hell of a lot of nits on cc....I dislike your style of play very much lol

Hummm i think you're mad at me from the league game today, i did the old shove from the BB with AK vs Button raise.



Even a nit is going to be calling you down and re-raising you, well playing Lag.
Lags are always fun to trap.

It's as simple as this Nits take Donkeys moneyz

Originally Posted by kidkvno1

Hummm i think you're mad at me from the league game today, i did the old shove from the BB with AK vs Button raise.







Even a nit is going to be calling you down and re-raising you, well playing Lag.

Lags are always fun to trap.

Not at all kid, its something that's been bothering me for awhile, but I suppose last night sort of got me off on a rant....its all good man, you trapped me nicely and hit the flop hard...wp

Originally Posted by Zorba

It's as simple as this Nits take Donkeys moneyz

And everybody else takes the nits monies

A Nit's Apology (why tight is right for me) - Poker Forums

I like that thread, some food for thought in there. Thanks for posting that Logan!

Originally Posted by ScottishMatt

I like that thread, some food for thought in there. Thanks for posting that Logan!

+1

I've seen some of FPs old posts, but not that one. Makes a lot of sense.