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hi,
i am playing $1 $3 no limit cash games. its 10 player full table. I was playing for 4 hours and i kind of see the other person as the potential whom i can get action.
He was 3 betting based on position and folded couple of time for my 4 bet. He is always betting on position.

i had around $250 and he was having little less.

i had A5C suited and i bet $15 with position. everyone folded and this guy bet $15.
Flop was K,9 clubs and 4Heart. he bet $50 and i called $50.
Turn was 3diamond. he bets $50.
i wanted to make him fold so i went all in. Hoping that would give him the pressure to fold but after along thought. he called the all in.

river card was 6club and i hit a nut flush and took all his money.
On my drive back, i was thinking i put myself in a bird spot and i was lucky to get the pot. please let me know your thought.
 
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You say you wanted to make him fold, but did you give any consideration to what cards he had? You can only make him fold a certain part of his range, and if you don't know what his range is, how can you know what you want him to fold? plus, how you can also size your bluff/draw bet appropriately, so that villain will fold what you expect him to fold, without wiping you out when he actually has the goods.
 
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good question, i never put him on a range. i am trying to think hard.. what was i doing?. i thought its a semi bluff just based on my card value and didn't put him in any range.. i should do that more often...
Thanks!
 
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5 BB raise call 3 bet 1/2 pot w A5s
150% pot bet on flop called w nut flush draw
135% pot shove on turn w nut flush draw
river nut flush achieved

all against a player who you see betting and playing position who is now out of position .

I think I would put him on a pretty good hand here based on your own observations .

as supamanc pointed out what you think he has is always the most important thing when considering bet sizing or bluffs
 
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What cards was your opponent holding I probably would of folded to the second bet he made I do think you got incredibly with that one especially if he had top pair
 
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Ok, there's a lot to unpack here. you too are about 70bb eff. and seem to be on the button or Co. is he in the Blinds I guess. so I will attack this hand like he was in the blinds.

your raise pre- ok. because of stacks and rake. 5x is fine.

flop o Kc9c4d 30 thereabouts. $50 bet is too big. I would like $10/15 so that you can bluff this flop with QJo and JT KQo AK A9 and get worse and to call. with a NUT DRAW, checking isn't bad. Doug Polk would say check back.

This is gonna set up the turn play better overall. if you bet smaller on the flop, you can play the turn smaller. and have more options. calling, raising and jamming turn become better plays. I don't mind you semi-bluffing turn. but the sizing of the flop makes the everything else more profitable. gl sir
 
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Don't think its a terrible play imo, you had lots of outs, but its pretty lose. You probably had very little fold equity at that point though
 
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You were very lucky, usually in those situations the game is lost. I advise you to calmly stop and analyze your risks in each play and do not underestimate the opponent's cards.
 
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The odds were against you in the hand, judging by his betting you were beat. I may have check raised the flop and got my money in there or played as you did folded to the turn bet.
 
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I honestly think you got lucky there - you never expected him to call and i would assume he had you until you hit nut flush on river, a very risky strategy that paid off but the odds of that missing were greater (assuming he did in fact have a better hand than you after the turn card).
Good luck but phew!
 
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Bluffing has it contradictions in NLH. On one hand you must bluff as the game becomes too difficult to make even a pair and your hand becomes too easy to read if you NEVER bluff by failing to miss c-bets in position even. On the other hand people are following the hand and they won't even fold mid pair without some justification more than random bets. They need to be scared, they need to be told a believable story, your table image in the last 30 hands needs to be set, the opponet needs to be known. You got lucky with a 1 to 4 but I advise you not semi bluff with marginal equity again. Try check raise semi bluffing and try cutting down the bluff except scary board cards, in position, c-bets. Much luck.
 
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I agree with Colbear, he's overbetting the pot twice from OOP, I love the semi-bluff play but you are 4-1 on the turn, versus 2-1 shoving on the flop.

Some other important considerations:
his range (someone else mentioned it)
You are heading towards the nut flush (this is GOOD, vs baby flush)
Has he ever over bet the pot twice from OOP and then folded??
You want to be basing your play on reality.

BTW: im curious, what did he have, you didnt say?
 
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I like the aggression and he can only call with a big hand - I’m sure you get a lot folds playing this line - but when u get called it’s a big loss. Be interesting to know what he had.

In this one off example I don’t mind the way u played it
 
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hi,
i am playing $1 $3 no limit cash games. its 10 player full table. I was playing for 4 hours and i kind of see the other person as the potential whom i can get action.
He was 3 betting based on position and folded couple of time for my 4 bet. He is always betting on position.

i had around $250 and he was having little less.

i had A5C suited and i bet $15 with position. everyone folded and this guy bet $15.
Flop was K,9 clubs and 4Heart. he bet $50 and i called $50.
Turn was 3diamond. he bets $50.
i wanted to make him fold so i went all in. Hoping that would give him the pressure to fold but after along thought. he called the all in.

river card was 6club and i hit a nut flush and took all his money.
On my drive back, i was thinking i put myself in a bird spot and i was lucky to get the pot. please let me know your thought.


I haven't got a clue who is what position. But my best guess is that villain had AA, AK, possibly KK and you absolutely fluked out the flush when you were 25%-27% underdog. Consider yourself lucky. Why don't you have a look in the hand history to see what he had?
 
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i didn't no what he had he mucked his card but he said he had 9 pair!
 
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I haven't got a clue who is what position. But my best guess is that villain had AA, AK, possibly KK and you absolutely fluked out the flush when you were 25%-27% underdog. Consider yourself lucky. Why don't you have a look in the hand history to see what he had?
Maybe because he played at a casino? Hence the drive home?
 
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if you rereise on flop thats ok villain can fold pair end is good semi bluff
but on turn is plenty money in pot end if you have good hand you would call so you can get most off chips end go all in on river...so for me to go all in on turn got no meaning end i would also make call if im villain
 
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It was very risky to play and you were lucky, but you could not be lucky and you would lose everything.
 
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On the river you had an 18% chance meaning 8 times out of ten you lose.. I'm glad that you hit it but as I learned today sometimes it's ok to surrender.
 
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I think you get the point already that ranging your opponents is critical before considering a bluff. Since V didn't 3 bet pre I would say that hands like AK, KK, are not in play. We also block the best flush draws. So what is he over betting flop with? As you indicated a set of 9s makes sense. We did pick up equity on the turn with the straight draw but our line doesn't make much sense. We are repping AA, KK, AK, but V has all of this crushed except KK. If he really has a set he should be snap calling here. We definitely got lucky. I wonder what we would have done if he sized the turn up to 80 or 90 instead of going 50 again? In general when V overbets the pot out of position on the flop and we block the flush draw this is a pretty easy fold. AP, given the turn sizing we have to call, if we have him on Kx then raising is fine but if he has 2 pair plus our raise is spew.
 
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