**Grinder's Cash study Thread 2019**

[JackleOfCrackle]

Hello everyone,

Fairly new to the forum base but have played poker for many years now. I was hoping to get a thread going where it can work as a study group of hands/vids/theory. Basically anything goes if its to do with cash games and will spark interesting conversations.

Bit about me...
Was grinding online 50nl for years for a living before Black Friday (Australian player). I now play mainly live 2/5 and sometimes small stakes online as I would not feel comfortable putting any decent stacks into the sites available to Australians at the moment.
I worked out recently though I need to get back into study and refresh some skills. Thought this could be a good start.

New year. New thread.

 

[JackleOfCrackle]

Any interest?

 

[JackleOfCrackle]

Line check.

Effective stacks are all around 130bb effective. Live 2/5. Villain is a reg who I have a lot of history with. He plays pretty ABC solid poker but can sometimes get a little creative with some bluffs as he does play for a living.

Villain MP opens to $15

BTN 3 bets to $55

and I am BB with


Hero 4 bets to around $150ish.

MP calls and BTN folds.

Flop comes

I raise to around 3/4 pot and he calls

Turn

Hero jams and villain tanks for a while and calls.


Line check?

 

[xdeucesx]

Line check seems fine to me tbh. Maybe 1/2 pot on flop instead of 3/4 as we dont have to size so big to easily get in stacks on turn. Still looks fine imo

 

[JackleOfCrackle]

Is this spewing? :icon_puke

All effective stacks 100bb. Game is 2/5

Villain is reg TAG/Seems sort of Nitty

He opens MP to $15

I have and decide to make it $55 from SB.

Villain Calls.

Flop is


I raise to 1/2 pot and villain calls.

Turn


I raise again to just over 1/2 he calls

and river


Here a jam is just under a pot size bet. My read was we are beat here when this villain calls Turn so basically need to give up or turn our hand into a bluff. I feel a jam looks super strong repping QQ+ making any T better kicker hard to call. Also I think JJ sometimes can find a fold here?

We Jam it in!


Line check?

 

[Alucard]

GL!
JT we can x flop to pot control & induce bluffs. Hard to see 3strt value from worse

 

[miku]

Line check.

Effective stacks are all around 130bb effective. Live 2/5. Villain is a reg who I have a lot of history with. He plays pretty ABC solid poker but can sometimes get a little creative with some bluffs as he does play for a living.

Villain MP opens to $15

BTN 3 bets to $55

and I am BB with


Hero 4 bets to around $150ish.

MP calls and BTN folds.

Flop comes

I raise to around 3/4 pot and he calls

Turn

Hero jams and villain tanks for a while and calls.


Line check?

Am I understanding your flop bet right?

Villain range is pretty polarised, minimum AQs+, AKo, JJ+ if he is a TAG, is this right range or is it wider or tighter taking to account that you 4-bet with another raiser behind you and he has a possible caller ir raiser behind him. So range is mainly suited Aces and pairs. The only hand which has you crushed is aces and TAGs usually shove preflop with AA, so the possibility is lower to have this particular hand against you.

You protect your hand by preventing favorable odds for your opponent to draw his suited combinations and want to win the pot now cause the amount of overpairs is so much smaller than the amount of suited aces.

Correct me if I am wrong,


What did he have?

 

[JackleOfCrackle]

GL!
JT we can x flop to pot control & induce bluffs. Hard to see 3strt value from worse

Agreed. Think we have merit for betting flop though knowing we can get floated a lot here by AK AQ 77-99. I do not want to give AK AQ type hands free cards in a 3 bet pot and he is always calling these here so I think we are still valuing/protecting. Turn somewhat bricks so I think we can bet again making life tough for AK AQ even JJ QQ can struggle here with continued pressure knowing river shove is very possible.

River shove at the time, looking at how much is in the pot, felt +EV by how many folds we should be getting from this player. Medium pairs (77-99 unlikely he is holding these but possible as he can always be putting me on AK type hands) can never call. Any T with a better kicker is somewhat hero calling here but I felt we can fold them out 70% of the time? JJ we can sometimes get to make a hero fold in this spot (45%) and QQ + is probably always calling off but I think he 4 bets pre with those hands.

 

[JackleOfCrackle]

Am I understanding your flop bet right?

Villain range is pretty polarised, minimum AQs+, AKo, JJ+ if he is a TAG, is this right range or is it wider or tighter taking to account that you 4-bet with another raiser behind you and he has a possible caller ir raiser behind him. So range is mainly suited Aces and pairs. The only hand which has you crushed is aces and TAGs usually shove preflop with AA, so the possibility is lower to have this particular hand against you.

You protect your hand by preventing favorable odds for your opponent to draw his suited combinations and want to win the pot now cause the amount of overpairs is so much smaller than the amount of suited aces.

Correct me if I am wrong,


What did he have?

Flop bet is purely for value from worse. Sized it a little bigger to make flush draws pay but we are getting called by worse here a ton. I am never really worried about AA here as we usually run into them all in pre but if he called them and snapped turn then nice hand.
I think the range you put him on (AQs+, AKo, JJ+) is pretty accurate but in reality a little wider. I would also add TT and sometimes things like AQo.
Diamond on the Turn is kind of gross but I think we are still getting called by worse a lot.

 

[TonyTwoCheeks]

Line check.

Effective stacks are all around 130bb effective. Live 2/5. Villain is a reg who I have a lot of history with. He plays pretty ABC solid poker but can sometimes get a little creative with some bluffs as he does play for a living.

Villain MP opens to $15

BTN 3 bets to $55

and I am BB with


Hero 4 bets to around $150ish.

MP calls and BTN folds.

Flop comes

I raise to around 3/4 pot and he calls

Turn

Hero jams and villain tanks for a while and calls.


Line check?

The way you tell this story and the fact that he tanks on the turn leads me to believe he had 87ss or 87cc (maybe set of 7s). Am I right?

 

[JackleOfCrackle]

The way you tell this story and the fact that he tanks on the turn leads me to believe he had 87ss or 87cc (maybe set of 7s). Am I right?

Nope none of those Will give some time see if a few more people comment and Ill show results.

 

[TonyTwoCheeks]

Nope none of those Will give some time see if a few more people comment and Ill show results.

The only other hands he could call a 4-bet, call a flop, and then tank the turn are AA, QQ, T9dd, 65dd. He obviously has a hand worth stacking off.

 

[xdeucesx]

Maybe it is just on my end, but I can't see the cards in hand 2 where you 3b to 55 in sb.

Any chance you could type it out normal so I can see it/give some thoughts?

 

[TonyTwoCheeks]

Any interest?

Jackle - I'm in with the study thread. I think we need a way to distinguish hands. We seem to be bouncing back a forth between the two posted.


And I will probably posts ranges like so....

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[JackleOfCrackle]

Maybe it is just on my end, but I can't see the cards in hand 2 where you 3b to 55 in sb.

Any chance you could type it out normal so I can see it/give some thoughts?

Sorry that is strange. Pocket cards are JsTs

 

[JackleOfCrackle]

Jackle - I'm in with the study thread. I think we need a way to distinguish hands. We seem to be bouncing back a forth between the two posted.


And I will probably posts ranges like so....

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Yeah for sure, as thread goes on and gets some action (hopefully) hands will hopefully be talked about a little bit more in order.

Remember this is a thread for everyones hands! Not just me

 

[xdeucesx]

Is this spewing? :icon_puke

All effective stacks 100bb. Game is 2/5

Villain is reg TAG/Seems sort of Nitty

He opens MP to $15

I have and decide to make it $55 from SB.

Villain Calls.

Flop is


I raise to 1/2 pot and villain calls.

Turn


I raise again to just over 1/2 he calls

and river


Here a jam is just under a pot size bet. My read was we are beat here when this villain calls Turn so basically need to give up or turn our hand into a bluff. I feel a jam looks super strong repping QQ+ making any T better kicker hard to call. Also I think JJ sometimes can find a fold here?

We Jam it in!


Line check?

Don't love the 3b pre tbh. Feels like he's only continuing with hands that dominate us, based on your description of him.

Flop's fine

Turn I probably check


As played, I think you can try to bluff it if you want, but that's lighting a decent bit of equity on fire imo. We have top pair and can beat the random Ax's that have a middle pair/if he had any type of connectors like 64, 54, 63, 34, etc. It's not much though. I probably just check river and if he jams, just fold, unless you think he's capable of floating 3 streets + jamming with an airball that bricked. Doesn't seem like he is capable of that/likely doing that, so I probably just x/f.

If he rivered the set with 99, that's pretty gross

 

[JackleOfCrackle]

Remember everyone this is a study/general cash group so anyone can post hands or questions

Hand 3. All relevant stacks around 100bb

Villain in the BB is somewhat unknown but has 100bb and waited to post blind. Take what you will from that.

UTG and MP limp in. We are in the CO with AQdd and make it $20

Villain in the BB 3 bets to only $32 and looks kind of weak to me. Limps all fold.
I make it another $80 to play expecting to take the hand down pre flop often but villain calls.

Flop is Ts Kh 9s.

We flop a straight draw and villain checks so we bet a little over 1/2 pot (could argue should be bigger with the possible flush draw). Villain just over min raises us. Not sure what to make of this but make the call.

Turn is Js

We make our straight but flush gets there.

Villain checks.

Hero???


A jam is about a 3/4 pot size bet now.

 

[xdeucesx]

Really not in love with this hand from start to finish.

Probably just flat IP pre and evaluate. I think 4betting big pretty much runs us into a range of like AQ+, 99+ which isn't very fun.

I like check on flop. Betting doesn't seem great bc if he x/jams us, we are sort of committed to call with a gutter but its a bad bad spot to be in.

Turn is a jam as played imo. You can't improve on the river and if a 4th spade hits/board pairs, you're probably crushed.

 

[JackleOfCrackle]

Best poker improvement study ideas away from the table for live players unable to use hold em manager and other programs that help with leak finding!
Ideas??

 

[xdeucesx]

Honestly, the way I got better at live was just talking through hands with people constantly. Books and study materials and what not never really "clicked" with me, but constant hand review got me over the hill. It is not a sexy answer or a magic bullet, but the hard work that gets you there. When I was improving, I just made it a goal to post on 3-5 HH analysis in the cash hand sub-thread. After a week, you're going back and forth on like 30 hands and it speeds up the improvement rate rapidly imo.

 

[darpblog]

Line check.

Effective stacks are all around 130bb effective. Live 2/5. Villain is a reg who I have a lot of history with. He plays pretty ABC solid poker but can sometimes get a little creative with some bluffs as he does play for a living.

Villain MP opens to $15

BTN 3 bets to $55

and I am BB with


Hero 4 bets to around $150ish.

MP calls and BTN folds.

Flop comes

I raise to around 3/4 pot and he calls

Turn

Hero jams and villain tanks for a while and calls.


Line check?

Aren't you already pot commited in the flop? if you are going to bet big why not jam?