*Don't Touch* Oreo's Cash Game Grind

[or3o1990]

That makes sense.

Have either of you guys had problems with the poker client snap shutting down the past few days?

 

[or3o1990]

I wanted to check behind here but that's nitty and I'd be missing value from worse kings and some jx maybe. I knew I was definitely going to c/f if he elected to raise though.

iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 96.5 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 9)
CO: 16.42 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BTN: 57.35 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 44)
SB: 33.25 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
BB: 156.25 BB (VPIP: 26.09, PFR: 10.87, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
UTG: 59.86 BB (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
UTG+1: 127.97 BB (VPIP: 11.63, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)
Hero (MP): 182 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♥ K♠

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) 4♠ K♥ 2♦
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (9 BB, 3 players) J♠
SB bets 4.5 BB, BB calls 4.5 BB, Hero raises to 18 BB, fold, BB calls 13.5 BB

River: (49.5 BB, 2 players) 9♦
BB checks, Hero bets 26.75 BB, BB calls 26.75 BB

BB shows 4♦ 4♥ (Three of a Kind, Fours)
(Pre 52%, Flop 98%, Turn 91%)
Hero mucks J♥ K♠ (Two Pair, Kings and Jacks)
(Pre 48%, Flop 2%, Turn 9%)
BB wins 100 BB

 

[MinhANguyen]

KJo is too weak to open in that position imo. KJs is the bottom of my opening range UTG 6-max.

Well played. Thank him for not 3-betting the turn. River bet needs to be bigger, like 70-75% at least. But dang just from some of the hands you post here the FR players seem to be really fishy.

 

[or3o1990]

It was a bit loose which is why I chose to check the flop instead of just continuing. I disagree with that sizing. It is a very strong hand but with the turn action what hands that I beat can I expect to call 75% of the pot? I block everything that I beat and even still I'm not sure AK is calling let alone QK or QJ. J9 and K9 are the only hands that I beat that I see calling such a large bet.

Yeah the players are pretty bad but I don't mind. He was in the chatbox going on about how he thought it was set over set. And it does look a lot like that before showdown.

 

[MinhANguyen]

Yeah flop check with KJo is good. Top two is the best hand here like 95%+ of the time OTR though. The BB pretty much never has a set here. He should be capped to one pair hands/random 2 pair bluff-catchers like K2s/K4s/24s. Top two, same hand as ours, would probably raise over a 50% PSB OTT.

Most people would check flop to check-raise their set, and if it's checked all around, they would raise the turn bet. I have never seen a set play this passively before, but maybe full ring is so nitty their raising range is only the absolute nuts/2nd nuts.

River we're targeting a bunch of hands that we can get a call from that we beat. AK/K4s/K2s/KQ/sometimes K9o/K9s. You'll be surprised by how often people can't find the fold button when we show a lot of strength, even at 100NL. Lots of people, especially in Bovada cash games (less so in Zone), are willing to station all the way down with just TP even after three barrels, turn raises, etc.

Btw I don't think QJ/J9 are calling a huge turn raise, unless they specifically turned the spade draw. Unless you have a read that the BB is a mega passive fish that would actually check-call weak sets on all 3 streets and that he never raises unless he has the absolute nuts, then I think you have to bet the river bigger to maximize value. You just got unlucky that you ran into a set here. Imo I can't ever put a set in someone's range here the way the hand played out. Nobody plays a set like this. If he were like 60/1, I'd be just a little concerned and opt for a 50% river PSB. However, against him and most other players, there are so many hands that these bad players can call us down with.

 

[or3o1990]

You're totally right. This guy was definitely a passive fish. The reason I disagreed with the sizing is mostly based on my read of the guy. AK, and AQ are the only hands that I beat that I'm semi confident I could get that kind of value from. He screwed himself out of a lot of money by not raising there.

 

[or3o1990]

I had a very, very good weekend. I only played 18 hours of poker but that's pretty good I think. I only wish I would have played a little more because the games were so good but it's ok I think.

I just started my first session about an hour ago and I couldn't get 4 full ring tables up so I was playing some 6max and got into a couple of spots where I wasn't sure what to do.

I'm pretty content with the way I played this hand. I think the only part I screwed up was that I didn't put him all in on the river. But I had no hands on him and didn't know what to make of his 3bet flatting range or his donk lead.

BB: 111.7 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG: 91.42 BB
MP: 17 BB (VPIP: 62.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
CO: 120.6 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (BTN): 108.55 BB
SB: 99 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, UTG posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has 4♣ A♣

UTG raises to 3.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (23.5 BB, 2 players) 3♣ 5♠ K♣
UTG bets 6 BB, Hero raises to 37.5 BB, UTG calls 31.5 BB

Turn: (98.5 BB, 2 players) A♦
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (98.5 BB, 2 players) 4♦
UTG bets 14.89 BB, Hero calls 14.89 BB

UTG shows 6♦ K♦ (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 41%, Flop 46%, Turn 9%)
Hero shows 4♣ A♣ (Two Pair, Aces and Fours)
(Pre 59%, Flop 54%, Turn 91%)
Hero wins 125.28 BB


In this one I really didn't know what to do. I figured I was beaten by an overpair but I felt committed after my turn bet so I just put him all in. I think I probably should have found a fold but again with no stats I don't know what to make of his flatting range. As weak as it was maybe my play was ok, idk.



UTG: 141.65 BB (VPIP: 16.13, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 31)
MP: 99.3 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
CO: 26.05 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
BTN: 100.75 BB (VPIP: 16.13, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
Hero (SB): 164.54 BB
BB: 38.09 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9♦ 9♣

fold, MP raises to 3.67 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, fold, MP calls 7.33 BB

Flop: (23 BB, 2 players) 7♦ 7♥ 3♥
Hero bets 15 BB, MP calls 15 BB

Turn: (53 BB, 2 players) 2♦
Hero bets 30 BB, MP raises to 60 BB, Hero raises to 138.54 BB, MP calls 13.3 BB

River: (199.6 BB, 2 players) T♣

MP shows 7♣ A♠ (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
(Pre 29%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows 9♦ 9♣ (Two Pair, Nines and Sevens)
(Pre 71%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
MP wins 196.6 BB
Hero wins 65.24 BB

 

[IPlay]

Hand 1 is fine, I don't think there is much merit to raising river. Its hard to say if villain is calling with Kx and that is basically the only part of his range that we can get value from.

Hand 2 is gross and I hate calling that min raise but I don't think we can really fold here if villain is ever doing this with 66-88 or a flush draw. The only thing that bugs me is that min raises are often not bluffs or marginal hands.

 

[vwls]

Do you know if there is a way to convert the hand format that you use into something more visual?

 

[MinhANguyen]

Hand 1 is fine. raising small and flatting are both okay. Board is a little too acary, and he just might fold his Kx to a min-raise. He's never jamming on us here if we raise.

Hand 2 flat pre. He opens pot and from MP; he's going to be stronger than usual. He has position, and he can make your life hell by flatting/4-betting you more often since I find pot-sized opens to be some decent % stronger than 3x.

I would check-call flop and turn and fold river, or bet half-pot OTF and check-call turn that's not an ace or king. And check-fold river. As played, I'm making an exploitable fold on the turn. You are almost never good here. He's not expecting you to fold when there's so much in the pot and he clicks it back minimally. And it's even less likely a bluff since it's a 3-bet pot, where people generally play honestly. Except for Zone, and me occasionally when I think everyone's always making a move on me haha.

 

[IPlay]

I was also thinking hand 2 is better to call pre. 3 betting is not bad considering villain is a 42/28, though it is only 7 hands. His stats also make me not want to fold turn.

Was this open larger then his other opens?

 

[or3o1990]

He was being a bit splashy in hand two so I opted to 3bet. I probably lose less in this hand if I flat pre but I think as played I could have bet less on the turn and folded possibly. I've been talking with a few people lately about those min raises. They're almost always strong. I'm not happy with that hand. I should have left myself the option of getting away from it but he was just being a splashy fish. I couldn't resist.

 

[or3o1990]

I wasn't so sure I wanted to fold here. This player was bad and agressive, I watched him bluff off his whole stack and he limp/raised me blind vs blind. So I wasn't sure what I was going to do but because Bovada's software is dook sauce at the moment my time bank would not click. After I commented in the box that my time bank wouldn't work he says he knew I didn't have aces or queens because I would have called.

Darn min raises.. I'm not sure if I saved money or missed money but I wasn't too worried about it.



SB: 34.57 BB (VPIP: 32.35, PFR: 0.98, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 102)
BB: 172.4 BB (VPIP: 12.42, PFR: 6.83, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 162)
UTG: 104.15 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
UTG+1: 78 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
MP: 186.2 BB (VPIP: 29.55, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 45)
MP+1: 118.9 BB (VPIP: 16.80, PFR: 5.60, 3Bet Preflop: 4.65, Hands: 126)
Hero (CO): 127.8 BB
BTN: 41.7 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♥ A♦

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, fold, MP+1 raises to 4 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 8 BB

Flop: (26.5 BB, 2 players) Q♥ T♠ 7♣
MP+1 checks, Hero bets 17 BB, MP+1 raises to 34 BB, fold

MP+1 wins 74.5 BB





I hate this spot and I'm not happy with how I played the hand. I don't mind the 4bet pre but I think I should have instead just shoved flop or c/f.





UTG: 43.08 BB (VPIP: 25.49, PFR: 9.80, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 52)
UTG+1: 123 BB (VPIP: 12.12, PFR: 3.03, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
MP: 246.05 BB (VPIP: 24.51, PFR: 8.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 104)
Hero (MP+1): 202.85 BB
CO: 102.25 BB (VPIP: 41.67, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 3.45, PFR: 3.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
SB: 137.1 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 10)
BB: 113.05 BB (VPIP: 20.78, PFR: 10.39, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 77)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♥ A♥

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, CO raises to 10.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 33 BB, CO calls 22.5 BB

Flop: (67.5 BB, 2 players) Q♥ T♠ T♣
Hero bets 38.75 BB, CO raises to 69.25 BB, fold

CO wins 172.5 BB

 

[MinhANguyen]

AA hand I prefer checking back. There's not a hand that we can get 3 streets of value from other than KK, which I think he would jam pre, or maybe an AQs/AQo he got sticky with pre. We block AQ pretty hard anyway. And we might get called down lighter if we check the flop, like by JJ/AK that thinks we whiffed the flop. It's also good to have strong hands in our checking range on this board texture. He opens about 5% of hands and probably calls almost everything in that range (AJs+, AQo+, 1010+), so he actually flops the nuts or second nuts here a decent amount of the time due to the limited number of holdings he has in his range here and because we block his big ace hands pretty hard. If we are already behind, we still have two outs to win his stack, which we won't be able to see if he flopped a set and raises us due to the coordinated board.

Hand 2 I just jam flop with an SPR of 1 and given his splashy stats. As played, you can't fold unless you know his range is only boats and quads. You've laid yourself too good of a price to fold. It's putting in another 30ishbb to win 172bb.

 

[vwls]

Do you know if there is a way to convert the hand format that you use into something more visual?

I just realized how rude that might sound. I don't mean for you to post, just for me personally. I go through a lot of hands on CC, and it would be easier if there was a way to do this, on my end.

 

[Figaroo2]

AA hand I prefer checking back. There's not a hand that we can get 3 streets of value from other than KK, which I think he would jam pre, or maybe an AQs/AQo he got sticky with pre. We block AQ pretty hard anyway. And we might get called down lighter if we check the flop, like by JJ/AK that thinks we whiffed the flop. It's also good to have strong hands in our checking range on this board texture. He opens about 5% of hands and probably calls almost everything in that range (AJs+, AQo+, 1010+), so he actually flops the nuts or second nuts here a decent amount of the time due to the limited number of holdings he has in his range here and because we block his big ace hands pretty hard. If we are already behind, we still have two outs to win his stack, which we won't be able to see if he flopped a set and raises us due to the coordinated board.

Hand 2 I just jam flop with an SPR of 1 and given his splashy stats. As played, you can't fold unless you know his range is only boats and quads. You've laid yourself too good of a price to fold. It's putting in another 30ishbb to win 172bb.

Good analysis especially on the AA hand I would never have thought to check the flop on that board but it makes total sense with it being a 3 bet pot. I think its a very good fold as played.
Minor point I'm seeing in some hands is to make sure you are at least x 3.5 to x4 when 3 betting oop .

 

[No Brainer]

Minor point I'm seeing in some hands is to make sure you are at least x 3.5 to x4 when 3 betting oop .

What's the reasoning behind this? To give them less odds for calling IP or to lower the SPR so we make less mistakes OOP postflop? Or something else entirely?

 

[MinhANguyen]

Tbh I never really got that either. I find that people's ranges for calling 3-bets are pretty inelastic whether we 3x or 3.5x, so I just stick with 3x. Never tried 4x, but I'd prefer to keep SPR higher. I would want a cheaper price if I'm bluffing and have room postflop to make moves. And I think that by 4xing, you drive away all their marginal hands. So you get no action on your premiums and are spewing on your bluff range since their continuing range is pretty strong. Plus I think my postflop edge is pretty decent and that a lot of villains are going to make postflop mistakes, so I don't really mind a call.

 

[or3o1990]

I just realized how rude that might sound. I don't mean for you to post, just for me personally. I go through a lot of hands on CC, and it would be easier if there was a way to do this, on my end.

Your fine buddy. I didn't reply because I forgot and I don't have an answer for you. I kind of hate reading HH's like this myself bu it only gets easier the more you do it.

Good analysis especially on the AA hand I would never have thought to check the flop on that board but it makes total sense with it being a 3 bet pot. I think its a very good fold as played.
Minor point I'm seeing in some hands is to make sure you are at least x 3.5 to x4 when 3 betting oop .

I never really considered checking back flop with the AA. The guy was a mega fish and I was wanting to punish him but I can see why it makes sense.

With the AK I felt like KK and AA are less likely and GII pre. So I'm flopped dead here a fair amount of the time. the rest of the time I have 7 outs against AK or QK and 4 outs against 10x. I'm getting like 6-1 but it seems pretty bleak and it was a bit tough to work out in my head in the moment. I need to work on counting combo's for sure. I should have just jimmy jammed it, poker made simple.

As far as the 3 and 4bet sizings. I try to keep them relatively similar unless I'm against someone I don't think will notice or I'm encouraging to act one way or the other. I'm not sure if this guy flatted a 4bet with AQ or KQ, I would think it's unlikely but making it a bit bigger couldn't have been a bad thing.

 

[Figaroo2]

What's the reasoning behind this? To give them less odds for calling IP or to lower the SPR so we make less mistakes OOP postflop? Or something else entirely?

The primary reason for making 3bets bigger from the blinds is to increase our fold equity against better players so we are playing less hands oop against these types. This is even more important if we are polarised in our 3 betting range. Against a fish it doesn't matter they are going to call regardless once they have made the decision to play and the bigger bet gets more money in quicker against the fish.
I think a polarised range keeps better players guessing more than a linear range which I think is better used against fish.
I prefer the polarised range and last night in the sweat a good reg on the button called my 5bet jam and he had 99. We had AA on this occasion. In fact that also happened earlier in the week as well when another reg called me down pre with 99. I can post both if required.

But we don't want to be playing the weaker end of our polarised range against good regs and having them come along with marginal hands because we are betting too small.
When I'm on the btn and I lead for 2.5bb I'm more likely to call with a slightly more marginal hand if I'm only raised 7.5 as opposed to 8.5-9bb. You know the SPR difference although small, may lead to you not getting to see a cheap river.
Sure we may lose a little value with our premium against a better player who is in position but getting paid is tough enough anyway and they will still be coming along with their own good hands.
Tbh against a good agg reg on the btn I'd be tightening my 3bet range considerably anyway.
Also as an aside if I make it 3.5 it makes the math a little easier as I know if they fold more than 32-35% to 3bets I know it's 0 to +ev before I even take my equity into account
please correct me if I'm wrong.
Also I can't find the hand that caught my eye, it must be in the other thread or Skype Oreo's sizing looks fine in the hands posted here.

 

[or3o1990]

I agree. I do make my isolation bets and 3bets larger from the blinds for fold equity reasons. But as we all know it's still player dependent. I wonder sometimes about making it bigger OOP because while we may get a fraction of more folds we end up playing bigger pots OOP when we're called. I still agree with making it bigger but I wonder how this affects things mathematically.

 

[or3o1990]

I absolutely HATED this but the guy was a nit and QQ and K9 or AK doesn't shove the river here. Only a flush, especially from this guy.




MP+1: 100 BB
MP+2: 31.42 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
CO: 116.18 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
BTN: 108.15 BB (VPIP: 7.14, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
SB: 115.33 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
BB: 39.5 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
UTG: 65.1 BB (VPIP: 30.43, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 23)
Hero (UTG+1): 178.89 BB
MP: 47 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, MP+1 posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has K♣ A♠

fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, MP+2 calls 5 BB, CO calls 5 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (17.5 BB, 3 players) T♦ 4♦ J♥
Hero checks, MP+2 checks, CO checks

Turn: (17.5 BB, 3 players) Q♦
Hero bets 12 BB, fold, CO calls 12 BB

River: (41.5 BB, 2 players) 8♠
Hero bets 30 BB, CO raises to 99.18 BB, fold

CO wins 167.68 BB

 

[or3o1990]

WTF M8? So far the fish are costing me money today...



iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): 111.2 BB
CO: 58.16 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
BTN: 84.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 67.29 BB (VPIP: 13.64, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
BB: 98.95 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
UTG: 108.15 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
UTG+1: 101.56 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5:diamond: A:club:

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) 4:club: Q:heart: J:diamond:
BB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, fold, BB calls 5 BB

Turn: (19.5 BB, 2 players) Q:club:
BB checks, Hero bets 12 BB, BB calls 12 BB

River: (43.5 BB, 2 players) 8:spade:
BB checks, Hero bets 30 BB, BB calls 30 BB

Hero mucks 5:diamond: A:club: (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 72%, Flop 18%, Turn 18%)
BB shows 4:diamond: 5:spade: (Two Pair, Queens and Fours)
(Pre 28%, Flop 82%, Turn 82%)
BB wins 100.5 BB



iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): 111.2 BB
CO: 58.16 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
BTN: 84.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 67.29 BB (VPIP: 13.64, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
BB: 98.95 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
UTG: 108.15 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
UTG+1: 101.56 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5:diamond: A:club:

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) 4:club: Q:heart: J:diamond:
BB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, fold, BB calls 5 BB

Turn: (19.5 BB, 2 players) Q:club:
BB checks, Hero bets 12 BB, BB calls 12 BB

River: (43.5 BB, 2 players) 8:spade:
BB checks, Hero bets 30 BB, BB calls 30 BB

Hero mucks 5:diamond: A:club: (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 72%, Flop 18%, Turn 18%)
BB shows 4:diamond: 5:spade: (Two Pair, Queens and Fours)
(Pre 28%, Flop 82%, Turn 82%)
BB wins 100.5 BB

 

[No Brainer]

That's a prime example of why you shouldn't bluff fish...

 

[or3o1990]

That's a prime example of why you shouldn't bluff fish...

Well that is definitely evidence that I should not bluff that fish. But surely we can bluff some of the crappie or possibly salmon, right?