Do poker players lie?

[skoldpadda]

Here's a good strategy: never trust table talk.

pokerstars Game #12369570958: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2007/10/01 - 00:15:06 (ET)
Table 'Phaetusa III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: yelkaojn ($5.08 in chips)
Seat 2: shew737 ($9.09 in chips)
Seat 3: winnahr ($7.33 in chips)
Seat 4: Lazydad25 ($6.33 in chips)
Seat 5: BabyHumvee ($14.98 in chips)
Seat 6: luisnava ($4.63 in chips)
BabyHumvee: posts small blind $0.02
luisnava: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BabyHumvee
winnahr said, "ummm nice flop call...lol"
yelkaojn: folds
shew737: calls $0.05
winnahr: raises $0.17 to $0.22
Lazydad25: folds
BabyHumvee: calls $0.20
luisnava: calls $0.17
shew737: folds
*** FLOP ***
BabyHumvee: checks
luisnava: bets $0.20
winnahr: calls $0.20
BabyHumvee: calls $0.20
*** TURN ***
BabyHumvee: checks
luisnava: bets $0.35
winnahr: folds
BabyHumvee: raises $1 to $1.35
luisnava: calls $1
*** RIVER ***
BabyHumvee: bets $2.90
BabyHumvee said, "fold plz"
luisnava said, ".."
luisnava said, "qq"
BabyHumvee said, "99"
BabyHumvee said, "crud"
luisnava: calls $2.86 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BabyHumvee: shows (a flush, Ace high)
luisnava: mucks hand
BabyHumvee collected $9.28 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $9.73 | Rake $0.45
Board [2s Qh 9h 7h 4d]
Seat 1: yelkaojn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: shew737 folded before Flop
Seat 3: winnahr folded on the Turn
Seat 4: Lazydad25 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: BabyHumvee (small blind) showed [4h 7c 9s Ah] and won ($9.28) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 6: luisnava (big blind) mucked

 

[reglardave]

In live play, most places, it is illegal to tell an opponent what you REALLY are holding. Lies are legal, the truth is not. It's a wonder no one called J Gold on this in last year's NE.

 

[skoldpadda]

He was crushed anyway. We all know 3 pair beats 3 of a kind. 8P

 

[OzExorcist]

In live play, most places, it is illegal to tell an opponent what you REALLY are holding. Lies are legal, the truth is not. It's a wonder no one called J Gold on this in last year's NE.

I had to LOL when someone did it to him this year,he didn't believe them, called and lost though

 

[vanquish]

"Son, everything I say is a lie... Except that. And that. And that. And that. And that. And that. And that.... And that."

 

[oluaris]

poker players are so good at lying that they even lie to themselves, and believe the lie...
how often have you held TPTK and said to yourself, "i have the best hand, he's bluffing, i'm going to call his all in", when deep inside you know your beat?

 

[ChuckTs]

Do poker players lie?

No.

 

[pigpen02]

In live play, most places, it is illegal to tell an opponent what you REALLY are holding. Lies are legal, the truth is not. It's a wonder no one called J Gold on this in last year's NE.

The rules of FTP say you can't DISCUSS the hand being played. You can't say what you have, you can't lie about what you have, you can't even say "AK would be a good hand to have now." This is spelled out in their rules, which nobody reads, just checks that they have.

 

[JacksRwild63]

lol...well, he suckered him

 

[USFDoh]

"Son, everything I say is a lie... Except that. And that. And that. And that. And that. And that. And that.... And that."

Reminds me of one of the best lines from TV (Star Trek - Kirk/Harry Mudd)

Kirk - Everything Mudd tells you is a lie
Mudd - I'm lying

Which tilted the android in the episode.

 

[Emperor IX]

This reminds me of that movie "The Labyrinth" with David Bowie and Jennifer Connely, where one of the doorkeepers always lies and the other one always tells the truth. Hilarious.

 

[dj11]

One always lies, and one always tells the truth, except when they switch.

 

[4Aces]

In live play, most places, it is illegal to tell an opponent what you REALLY are holding. Lies are legal, the truth is not. It's a wonder no one called J Gold on this in last year's NE.

That is the most stupid rule ever.

 

[Flops'm&Bets'm]

Yeah I Lie,

I Lie awake at night wondering :hmmmm: why the hell that guy called my ALL-IN with
A-J os vs. My K-K?? :motz: :albertein :goodnight

 

[zachvac]

In live play, most places, it is illegal to tell an opponent what you REALLY are holding. Lies are legal, the truth is not. It's a wonder no one called J Gold on this in last year's NE.

I've always thought, especially when it's down to you and someone else in a hand, that you could say whatever you wanted (about the cards, not shouting profanity and other stuff casinos may ban). In the case of multiple people you can't say anything about your hand because it could affect the odds for the other person. If you want to be tricky and risk shooting yourself in the foot, I see no problem with it. If you make a claim and either someone realizes it's the truth or a lie it could give them an advantage over the other person. I don't know anything about official rules on that, this is just how I've played.

 

[bob_tiger]

whats the #1 rule in poker??? NEVER believe your opponent!!!

 

[royalburrito24]

I dont lie during the hand, because when i talk i feel as though i am giving away information....

as soon as the hand is over i start lying my butt off

 

[OzExorcist]

The rules of Full Tilt Poker say you can't DISCUSS the hand being played. You can't say what you have, you can't lie about what you have, you can't even say "AK would be a good hand to have now." This is spelled out in their rules, which nobody reads, just checks that they have.

Really? Wow, missed that one! You're sure it's not like the live rule though?

The rule for live play is that people who aren't involved in the hand aren't allowed to discuss it until it's over. It's to stop people saying things like "Damn, I folded ace-ten!" when they see the flop and others are still trying to play the hand.

If you're active in the hand though, you should be allowed to prattle on all you like - as long as you don't say what your hand really is.

You might find it's a bit of a grey area, or the rule is only enforced if somebody makes a complaint. Paul Phillips broke it in Season 2 opener of the WPT (telling Mel Judah he had a straight). If any action was taken it wasn't televised, but the commentators did point out he wasn't supposed to do it. Ditto the guy who told Jamie Gold that he had a flush on Day 1 of the Main Event this year.

It's kinda a weird rule: having it actually makes it more dangerous in a way, because if someone says to you "I have a flush", "I've got the boat" or whatever, within the rules you have to assume that they're lying.

 

[pigpen02]

Here is rule 5 from FTP:
Players and observers may not discuss a hand until the action is complete. Discussing cards discarded or hand possibilities is not allowed.
This precludes telling the truth or lying about your cards.

 

[1FreeLesson]

I like Liver and Onions
signed,
The poker player

 

[pigpen02]

This reminds me of that movie "The Labyrinth" with David Bowie and Jennifer Connely, where one of the doorkeepers always lies and the other one always tells the truth. Hilarious.

One always lies, and one always tells the truth, except when they switch.

Even if they switch, you can get the truth by asking, for example "Will the other doorkeeper say this is the correct door (of two)?" You know the answer will be a lie, so the opposite is the truth; it doesn't matter which one is lying just so long as exactly one is. Free logic tidbit from the pig. :icon_porc

 

[OzExorcist]

Here is rule 5 from Full Tilt Poker:
Players and observers may not discuss a hand until the action is complete. Discussing cards discarded or hand possibilities is not allowed.
This precludes telling the truth or lying about your cards.

*raises eyebrows*

Wow. You're right, it does rather.

 

[Insomniac_1006]

If for no other reason than its the easiest thing to remember, tell the truth. Is a motto I firmly believe in away from the tables, but at the tables it is an entirely different story...

If poker players didn't lie, there would be no representing hands, or bluffing of any kind and that would, well, make poker a game that is not very challenging. OOPS I missed the flop, but there is only one other player, better fold...

I don't think that poker player are patholigical liers, like my boss, and probably quite a few of use are honest in our non poker lives; but lieing, or bluffing, is part of the game.

 

[jonfelkin]

Sometimes when someone almost calls one of my Bluffs i will make up a hand and tell them i had it. Dont want them thinking im the kinda player to steal pots of them.

 

[Mike G]

Your goal in poker should be to mislead your opponents. Therefore lies are obviously a great way to improve all the misleading. I'd say about 95% of the time in a poker game someone's lying.