Dealing with Variance in 3-6 Live Limit - My story

Aaron Soto

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Hello guys,

Well so i figured I would post my results on here. These are my results from grinding 3-6 fixed limit poker over the past couple of weeks I would guess. It's about a total of 10 sessions I would suppose. Right this minute I am ****ING PISSED as to what a poker dealer did to me. I think it is the last time for good i ever tip a poker dealer. EVER! These are my results.

Any session ranges from about 3 hours to 6 hours, to even 9 hours. So here it is. What do you guys think? Am I doing pretty good you say?

+87
+134
+91
+87
-300
+300
-120
-26
+93
+64
+72
+139
-260

This leaves me at 361$ in profit after 13 sessions. I think I have already figured out my biggest problem. My biggest problem without a doubt, is that when I do have a losing day. I love just losing everything in my pocket. It is ****ing pathetic. This last day the 260$ loss was just bad bead after bad beat after bad beat. It was absolutely ****ing brutal.

Does anyone here strictly play fixed limit 3-6? What are your results after promotions? After winning days?

FROM THIS DAY FORTH!!!! I SHALL NEVER EVER TIP A DEALER!!!!! **** THAT!
 
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Aaron, I think live you need to price in the dealer tip on top of the rake. What I usualy is give them a dollar everytime I take a pot, that way its just like rake, but its his salary, poor man has to eat and at least 3/4th of the players if not more are not tipping.

Other than that, I also tilt when I start losing and I need to learn to step out, I've been learning that on online cash 25NL, where the game is alot harder than live cash. So far so good, I'm stepping out when losing to much and I'm up steadily over 3K hands, i'll talk again when I have more hands.

Discipline my friend, and dealers work for tips, consider that in your rake.
 
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Well at least you are winning money to a point...however as an hourly rate its very poor and probably not the game for you if you tilt out so bad.

As for variance, limit games have the lowest so the results may also keen in on not the right game for you.

Wonder what your problem with the dealer is. Also wonder if you only wrote this post to scream at dealers. You may have misunderstood something...also if you ever get a bad waitress do you never tip all wait staff again? Sounds really unfair
 
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I'm sick and tired of stupid dealers making mistakes costing me $$$. No more tips for them period.
 
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and why are you playing lmit poker and not nl holdem?
 
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Not rolled for NL. Only profitable NL game is 1-3 Live too me. Plus, the promotions at my casino benefit the Limit player. I used to play NL. I prefer the Limit game though.
 
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So twice u spout about dealers without saying why. I assume you blame them for your loses and not that you play bad which your results show.
 
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Hello guys,

I am ****ING PISSED as to what a Poker Dealer did to me. I think it is the last time for good i ever tip a poker dealer. EVER! These are my results.

Did you call the floor for a decision?

Any session ranges from about 3 hours to 6 hours, to even 9 hours. So here it is. What do you guys think? Am I doing pretty good you say?

+87
+134
+91
+87
-300
+300
-120
-26
+93
+64
+72
+139
-260

This leaves me at 361$ in profit after 13 sessions. I think I have already figured out my biggest problem.
Then don't do that. The results look pretty good -- better than I'd expect, considering how these live games are raked. I do see some problems there: -300 and -260. That's onehelluvalot to be losing in 3/6FL. That's four or five buys down the drain. I would question if losses of these magnitudes aren't pointing to tilt control problems.

"Does anyone here strictly play fixed limit 3-6? What are your results after promotions? After winning days?"

I avoid it like the plague, and anything less than 10/20FL (the occasional 8/16 game excepted) isn't worth my time. These days, the rake at these low limit games is absolutely brutal and makes them unbeatable. Used to be that finding good FLHE games wasn't difficult, even at stakes as low as 1/3 or 1/4. That was 25 years ago. Today FUGGEDABOUDIT!

This is short sighted stupidity on management's part. Give the low limit live players a break, and cultivate them for graduation to the no-limit games.

FROM THIS DAY FORTH!!!! I SHALL NEVER EVER TIP A DEALER!!!!! **** THAT!
Not a good policy. You need dealer good will when the inevitable disputes arise. Of course, you don't want to tip off your winnings, and you can't afford to flip a dollar chip to the dealer every time you win a pot. What I do is wait until the dealer change: then I slip 'em a little something so's the incoming dealer sees it.
 
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A return is a return so I would say for limit that's not to shabby. I personally am a 1/3 NL player so I would be a wreck knowing I can't bully my opponents as I witness the impending doom of the flush or str8 draw. Yeah man keep running good...
 
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Still seems your lacking maturity in the game Aaron
 
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Still seems your lacking maturity in the game Aaron


Haha. Yup :( i did make 180$ today on 3-6 FL today. Guy's, if you are wondering 3-6 is my specialty. And i play poker on the side of my job. I earn about 1,000$ a month from cards. 3-6 only.

A dealer cost me a 200$ pot on the day i lost 260$ so i just walked out and won't bother tipping anytime soon. If at all. I've tipped a good 3,000$ over the course of 2016. Won't hapoen again. The dealer made a mistake and K7 suited saw the flop long story.
 
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Dorugremon,
Actually 3-6 FLHE is beatable by every account. It is not easy. If you can limit yourself to making 1-2 mistakes a day? Then you will see profit in the long run. Promotions can play a huge part in income as well.

I play by using a very standard rule. (Obviously some days i do not follow it)

Buy in 120$ if i am up 60$+ call it day. If i lose my 120$ I leave. That day i lost 260$, was by far the worst bad beats i have ever had iml. No joke. Rough day. In a 3/6 kill pot you can win 80-150$ I've done it before.
 
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hey so what cool promotion for limit holdem is in that casino i do not play a lot of live games so it is interestedly for me

 
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Making an extra 1k a month grinding 3/6 seems good to me. Although 1k in California works out to be like $10 in the end. All joking aside it sounds like you need to step up. Your win rate is below where it should be for the sample you gave but it is a small sample and you are ahead. You found your game and it's good you can profit from it. I play 3/6 mostly and almost always lose. I only get to play once a month for 3-4 hours at the most. It is more likely that a jackpot or high hand will hit a limit game since any two will do. Our local brick and mortar casino is small so we don't get a lot of newbies. Its the same ole tired faces. When a newbie does sit down then they are eaten up as quickly as possible. I prefer limit hold'em in cash games myself. I've definitely seen players drop $200-$300 in a 3/6 limit game. But you really should move up. You could be making 1K a week instead of a month. Unless you play with scared money.
As far as dealers go, I don't want that job but they are only human. You don't have to punish all the dealers. I do tip every hand I win but honestly I would like to defer it until I left for the day. I like to have all the chips I can get in play.
 
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Im still confused. You send us 13 sessions that profit 360 over a couple of weeks and ask for a review. Some say its good which is strange to me since the hourly rate was so low. Then you say youre a reg who makes 1k a month at this game while working another job. It just doesnt add up.

Also you keep squaking about the dealer who cost you 200 but yet still no tail of how....just that your never tipping again.

Strange post
 
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Heres a update

+87$ 12/24/16
+134$ 12/25/16 promo
+91$ 12/26/16
+87$ 12/29/16 san manuel
-300$ 1/1/17 san manuel
+300$ 1/14/17 san manuel promo
-120$ 1/15/17 morongo
-26$ 2/5/17 morongo
+93$ 2/6/17 morongo
+64$ 2/6/17 morongo
+72$ 2/7/17 morongo
+139$ 2/8/17 morongo
-260$ 2/8/17 morongo
+180$ 2/9/17 morongo
-7$ 2/10/17 morongo
+96$ 2/10/17 morongo promo HH
+77$ 2/10/17 morongo

Current balance: +707$ after 17 sessions
 
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Im still confused. You send us 13 sessions that profit 360 over a couple of weeks and ask for a review. Some say its good which is strange to me since the hourly rate was so low. Then you say youre a reg who makes 1k a month at this game while working another job. It just doesnt add up.

Also you keep squaking about the dealer who cost you 200 but yet still no tail of how....just that your never tipping again.

Strange post

If you check out his post history he flits from game to game usually after it's "rigged", the dealer was wrong, the fish are too bad, he goes on tilt, or plays well above his life roll. First 25NL on Bovada was his game, then it was tilted, rigged, etc etc. Then it was 1-2 Live "crushing it" posting hand drawn graphs about hard work paying off, then something something...1-3 is where it's at. To now saying he only plays 3-6 limit but in earlier posts noted he doesn't generally have the roll. He also has posted in detail, which I think is a positive towards maybe becoming a more mature poker player, his struggles with tilt, Not judging the guy personally, but poker wise, I'd take his posts with a grain of salt in terms of some of the statements.

Still seems your lacking maturity in the game Aaron

Spot on. Nothing personal against OP, but as a player and in the game the lack of in game maturity is stunning.


Still would love to know what the dealer did to Aaron this time? :D
 
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Im in the same boat.

Figure this bro after a few winning session of say +85+65+125 the 4th should be a buy in of of 75 for a maximum loss of 75. Then rinse and repeat I don't know about the dealer tip persay I usually do after I hit quads or a bloated pot.
 
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Dorugremon,
Actually 3-6 FLHE is beatable by every account. It is not easy. If you can limit yourself to making 1-2 mistakes a day? Then you will see profit in the long run. Promotions can play a huge part in income as well.

It's venue dependent. Around my QTH, all the live venues have basically killed FLHE completely due to very excessive rakes. Literally unbeatable, and even fish don't stay fooled forever. So-Cal Poker rooms may have avoided that error. If it weren't for the rake, I can beat 3/6FLHE, but wouldn't waste my time. The smallest FL I'd consider is 10/20 but that game never went off even when it was offered.

They also advertised PLO-8 but it never went off. Too bad: I kick ass at that game. They did have PLO for awhile. Insane action, but that didn't last long because it busted all the fish very fast (did get my share while it did :) )

I play by using a very standard rule. (Obviously some days i do not follow it)

Rough day. In a 3/6 kill pot you can win 80-150$ I've done it before.
You didn't mention the kill in the OP. In a kill pot, I can see how that could happen.
 
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3/6 limit is a game you should consider buying in weak.

Average profit for 3/6 is about 85 dollars so a 125 buy in is plenty to achieve a near 75% return. You need some chips to buy pots show some image and be aggressive however I find the game is mostly luck. I usually like to buy in for like 235 people think I'm already killing the game and play badly against me works great, but when you go on the average downswing of 70 you play worse your down so it's possible 70 is really all you need. Be patient be aggressive and get a lil lucky win or go home -70 max. If you buy in to full and slip you play on tilt and end up walking out of the game or casino with 30 bucks and a huge loss which isn't profitable ever. If you see the game is agro or a kill go ahead and plop down 220 and play capped pots, overall nl is a better game winning is winning if you don't have the bankroll then don't play.You cant build a roll from 3/6 only lose one you can have a lot of fun and achieve winning days but the variance of inevitable break even is 100% and that's if your good which you seem to be so your playing to break even, play a year and you will break even at best,maybe plus 600 or even minus that.
 
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Detroit. What happened in this situation with the dealer on that day was this.

I have 80$ behind, in LP with Pocket Aces. 3 limp in. I say raise and throw my chips in two opponents ahead say I didn't "say raise". Dealer ends up agreeing with them. This is also a kill pot. So I raised it to 12$ but unfortunately had to limp my aces. Lady who FLAT OUT LIED! ends up calling. So does the BB. Flop comes with Ace, 5, 8 board 2 hearts out. Guy calls me all the way down to the river with flush draw and hits his flush.

After his hand he says he would never of called if I had raised pre-flop. He then tells me "I heard you say raise"....I was so mad that night and that was my final 80$.

Also Detroit. So check it out man....I play poker as a side job. I must in all honestly bro....tip these dealers about 300-400$ a month I am not kidding either. I play 50 hours a week. Quite frankly Im ****ing sick and tired of it....I really just do not feel right about giving someone my hard earned money day in day out...
 
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