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MrRed484

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I'm just gonna put this out there!..

I'm a 1-2 cash game player and have recently
accumulated a 4k bank roll to play at this level.

I'm a tight agreesive player who doesn't see the gamble in poker! I get my money in good most of the time.

I'm old school and don't subscribe to the optimal game theory aspects of poker!

I play on, ...table selection, seat selection, .. and basically playing on a full ring table where 5 out of the 8 other players will be a worse player then I, or at least looser!..

I've poker books coming out of my ears and have years of experience but never really fully committed to the game! The game has changed since I started to learn but I know over a longer period of time my way will run good! It's steal small pots, win big pots poker! Like I said (old school).....

Realistically how many 8 hour sessions will I need to put in before I see a true reflection of my game!?

Like I said, I've never commited to poker properly before now because I didn't have the bank roll..

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I'm just gonna put this out there!..

I'm a 1-2 cash game player and have recently
accumulated a 4k bank roll to play at this level.

I'm a tight agreesive player who doesn't see the gamble in poker! I get my money in good most of the time.

I'm old school and don't subscribe to the optimal game theory aspects of poker!

I play on, ...table selection, seat selection, .. and basically playing on a full ring table where 5 out of the 8 other players will be a worse player then I, or at least looser!..

I've poker books coming out of my ears and have years of experience but never really fully committed to the game! The game has changed since I started to learn but I know over a longer period of time my way will run good! It's steal small pots, win big pots poker! Like I said (old school).....

Realistically how many 8 hour sessions will I need to put in before I see a true reflection of my game!?

Like I said, I've never commited to poker properly before now because I didn't have the bank roll..

Advice!? [emoji848]View attachment 290412


Thank you for posting.


If it is just variance there is no answer to when will it end. Hopefully it will be soon but TAG players have had 2 year runs of under performing EV. There are simulations we can run now and they suggest 10K hand down turns can effect 25% of players. A down turn is EV results at break even or below. Longer down turns of 20k+ hands effect 17% of the "sim" players.

If live 30 hands an hour you would play 42 sessions to reach 10K hands played and your ROI would be break even or negative.

However there may be other factors effecting your ROI.

The key to your style of poker is playing VS weaker players who over value big cards AK QQ JJ or top pair hands like A9 9xx etc. The question is- are there enough of those players in your player pool?

Where do you play live or online? If online are HUDs allowed? If HUD's are allowed your playing style hurts you as the average players can look at your stats and know not to get in big pots with you with less than 2 pair or high equity draws. This greatly effects your ROI?

If live- do you know who the good regs are? Are they playing wider ranges? Are they making better ROI? Are they winning more large pots more often because their Villains are bluff catching more often?

Are they winning medium size pots more often because they can bluff more board runouts and get folds? Or they get 3 streets of value when you are getting 1 or 2 streets of value?
So are you winning small pots when they would win medium pots?

Are they able to 2x pot rivers and get called by the average players not just the weak ones? Can you get value from those players with that sizing?

If any of the above is happening then it does not matter how many 8 hour session you are playing because your ROI is being effected by your range possibly being too narrow for your player pool.



Hope this helps
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I'm just gonna put this out there!..

I'm a 1-2 cash game player and have recently
accumulated a 4k bank roll to play at this level.

I'm a tight agreesive player who doesn't see the gamble in poker! I get my money in good most of the time.

I'm old school and don't subscribe to the optimal game theory aspects of poker!

I play on, ...table selection, seat selection, .. and basically playing on a full ring table where 5 out of the 8 other players will be a worse player then I, or at least looser!..

I've poker books coming out of my ears and have years of experience but never really fully committed to the game! The game has changed since I started to learn but I know over a longer period of time my way will run good! It's steal small pots, win big pots poker! Like I said (old school).....

Realistically how many 8 hour sessions will I need to put in before I see a true reflection of my game!?

Like I said, I've never commited to poker properly before now because I didn't have the bank roll..

Advice!? [emoji848]View attachment 290412


It sounds like you're pretty much doing all the right things mate.

15-20 sessions should give yo a good feel of how you're stacking up

Know that each session's results will have a lot to do with variance, but you as a smart individual will be able to feel if you're getting lucky/unlucky and getting played/outplayed.

The results over those 15-20 sessions should show you if you're a net winner or a net loser (again not a huge sample but since you're doing 8 hour sessions you should get a decent amount of hands in)

But it's your feeling, your confidence, your ability to read others and gauge their hand strength that will really tell you how you're doing. Let this be determined by subjectivity and a deep feeling of confidence or lack thereof.

and my bet, is that you'll like what conclusions you come to :D
 
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MrRed484

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It sounds like you're pretty much doing all the right things mate.

15-20 sessions should give yo a good feel of how you're stacking up

Know that each session's results will have a lot to do with variance, but you as a smart individual will be able to feel if you're getting lucky/unlucky and getting played/outplayed.

The results over those 15-20 sessions should show you if you're a net winner or a net loser (again not a huge sample but since you're doing 8 hour sessions you should get a decent amount of hands in)

But it's your feeling, your confidence, your ability to read others and gauge their hand strength that will really tell you how you're doing. Let this be determined by subjectivity and a deep feeling of confidence or lack thereof.

and my bet, is that you'll like what conclusions you come to :D
Cheers Evan.. I appreciate it [emoji1417]
I think my confidence is result oriented. Once I see some run good, I'm sure I'll settle into it!
 
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I will just add, playing live, your strategy will be absolutely fine and you’ll be a winner over the long term. Just have to play through the variance.

Playing online, you will lose your roll in under a month. 100 buyins are needed in today’s online games and strategies need to be advanced.

Good luck :)
 
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