Bluffing on four to a flush boards.

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Bentheman87

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I often do this and sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes I give up and check and see they don't even have a flush. Like in a ring game yesterday, I raised from MP with 9 9 and got called by the SB. Flop came Q J 2 two clubs, I didn't have any clubs. He checked I checked behind. Turn came a small club, he bet 3/4 pot, I called since he might be bluffing or semibluffing after I showed weakness on the flop. River came a fourth club and he checks. Do you think he would call a bet here without a club? Would he call with top pair or a set? I checked behind and he had QJ suited in diamonds and won with two pair, but I think a bluff would have worked. Then again in tournaments I've made similar bluffs on the river but got called, and was shocked they called me after I see their hand.
 
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Most often the best option is to check. Many players don't seem to pay attention to the board and just be like "ME HAS TWO PAIRS, I CAN'T FOLD". I've gotten lots of action from hands like this when I do have the flush. Now if you're playing against better more observant thinking players, this has a better shot of succeeding. But if you're playing in low-stakes online games, I'm pretty sure that guy would have called a bluff.
 
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again, it depends on the level of players you're playing against. but from what it looks, it would of been a good time to bluff the river.
 
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sin2win

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if theres no way u can win the hand it's always good to fire a big bullet and hope for a fold, i wouldnt suggest this with more than 1 person in the hand depending on position. it could be a very goood move or a very ugly 1
 
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Yeah, sometimes it's shocking the size bet someone will call with just a lone deuce flush. Betting on these boards can be extremely dangerous.
 
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if theres no way u can win the hand it's always good to fire a big bullet and hope for a fold, i wouldnt suggest this with more than 1 person in the hand depending on position. it could be a very goood move or a very ugly 1

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Multiple opponents this is a disaster. The more people in, the more likely one has the flush, and low-stakes online players will most likely not fold a flush, even if it's duece-high. I still think that in the original hand if Ben had fired a bullet that the opponent would have called unless he was playing like 100nl at LEAST. People seem to realize their hands are not good and not value bet them, but they have a really hard time folding what in their mind is a good hand. Two pair, despite the fact that there are 4 of one suit on the board, seems like a good hand to them. Similar logic with sets on 4 to a straight board. I've been paid off by a lot of those types of hands. I'm sitting on the nut straight hoping he has just the one over and he'll flip over a set. So for that reason I think in the heavy majority of cases, unless you know your opponent has the ability to lay down hands that although are good in general are not good on the board. Basically a good player is capable of laying down 2 pair on a flush board, and most people here should be able to do it without a thought (unless they think a bluff is a heavy possibility and are getting good enough odds to look them up). But if the action looks like a flush, your set or 2-pair is no longer good. Most people just don't understand that though, so I would advise against bluffing at a board like this the heavy majority of the time.
 
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