Being Results-Oriented

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All right, so I've been trying to pot more than I have in a long time. Part of my absence here has been due to another site that I used to frequent much more. Anyways, since I am out of school for the summer, I feel like I should get more involved and try to help some people with their play, especially since I haven't been at the tables much. :p

On to my point in this thread: I have been noticing a severe trend which plagues people when they are a beginning poker player. They are doing the right thing by posting hands in which they feel they need help on, however, much of the time they are posting the wrong hands. First off, many of the hands I have seen have been hands in which our 'Hero' has lost the hand on the river, gotten coolered, or the like. The other polar extreme is when the 'Hero' thinks he made a great play and won the hand, but in actuality played it terribly. This brings up are major problem. People are being very results-oriented when looking at these hands.

Of course it is natural to question your play when you lose a hand. Everyone does that, myself included. Also, we tend to give ourselves credit when we win a hand. Often we overlook the major leaks of our game by looking at win/loss rates or ROI. Rather, we need to look deeper and start thinking why our opponents make specific plays. We need to recognize why the fundamental theory is in place. Poker is not a short run game. Our correct plays will pay off. Poker is about winning money, not winning pots. Stop fretting over a loss of a huge pot, and make sure that you are playing the hand correctly. Any hand that you have the slightest question on, post it. But make sure you are posting it for the right reasons. Pretend that the results don't exist, focus on your play, and the good results will come.​
 
PokerVic

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I agree. There can be a lot of value posting hands with marginal pot sizes. I'm sure in a lot of cases, the experts here can give some great tips on how to extract the most out of these run-of-the mill pots.
 
nevadanick

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Rather, we need to look deeper and start thinking why our opponents make specific plays. We need to recognize why the fundamental theory is in place. Poker is not a short run game. Our correct plays will pay off. Poker is about winning money, not winning pots. Stop fretting over a loss of a huge pot, and make sure that you are playing the hand correctly. Any hand that you have the slightest question on, post it. But make sure you are posting it for the right reasons.

'Interesting' post.

"look deeper" at "specific plays" by opponents? Since there are few opponents that we will see for any length of time at the tables, how would you suggest we determine THEIR thought process if we aren't really sure of our own 'why' we did what WE did? Sure, we can get reads on villains from time to time online, but nothing like playing a 9 seat home game or casino table where the same players are there for hours.

This also 'assumes' that every player online makes plays for definitive reasons that can stand scrutiny. For the most part, it is nothing more than second guessing and (imo) closely resembles Monday Morning Quarterbacking.

Unless a 'villain' has specifically declared that a certain action was for a specific reason, none of us will ever know for sure, and that 'assumes' that villain was being honest (hahaha).

"posting it for the right reasons" - what is THAT? If we already knew the right reasons based on our knowledge of long term theory, WHY would we be posting it?

Any 'good' advice is, of course, a 'good' thing. PokerVic mentions 'marginal' and extracting max value from run-of-the-mill pots. They are run-of-the-mill for a reason. If everyone had been dealt strong hands, they wouldn't be minimal or marginal pots.

Brags, bad beats, vents and rants are the hands of interest. Hand distribution of opps, position, stack and the position of Saturn in the Seventh Moon determines what opps will do in marginal situations. Wouldn't the expert advisors need to know the HH of the previous 30, 50, 100+ hands to know how to extract 10 extra chips in a 'marginal' pot?
 
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maybe a tad sophisticated for most it takes a long time to c single hands as a line in a story rather than the story itself
 
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