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So I play either reg table or Snap(888), FF(Party) 5NL 3 tables running ($15 BI)
So.. if I want to play 3 5NL tables, and at 100BI bankroll, should my bankroll be $500 or $1500?
And, I'm assuming a few of you would say it depends on me.
But what would you do?

I play with a 40BI Bankroll at 5NL fyi. ($200)
And I succeed one day. Lose another, so basically breaking even but it's building my rakeback at least.

Thanks!
 
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If you want to multitable you don't need to change your BR management.
So if 100buyins is your BR for the stake, then it's the same either you multi or not.
But keep the number of tables there where you can play your alpha game, don't lose attention, missclick, run out of time, etc xD. (I have ran out of time with AA more than one time, or missclicked open raise with 73 utg haha)

40buyins for 5NL and lets say 4tables is pretty reasonable I think.
 
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Yes, I'm just confused because that is 5% of my BR according to Chris Ferguson.. but since I'm playing 3 tables, then technically that would be 15%?
 
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Yes, I'm just confused because that is 5% of my BR according to Chris Ferguson.. but since I'm playing 3 tables, then technically that would be 15%?


The action at the three tables are unrelated, and therefore playing three tables for one hour is exactly the same as playing one table for three hours. Maybe your winrate is slightly lower, when you play three tables, but that is a detail and does not increase the bankroll requirement significantly.
 
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Are you a winner over 100k hands at this limit?

If you are not or have no idea, you don't need a bankroll... you need a budget. How can you determine the variance if you don't know if you are even a winner yet?

You need to think BUDGET. That is:
1.) whilst attempting to beat this limit how much can I afford to lose and how much can I top up if required?
2.) Also, when do I decide enough is enough and drop down stakes to 2nl?

Ask those questions instead and you decide the answers!
 
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I just purchased HM3 so I can automatically keep an eye on my winrate bb/100. and and for ~700 hands this session my winrate is 14/100 bb.
So, I know that's decent. But I wonder if it's great. I shall do more research on what a good winrate bb/100 would be.
 
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due to swings, the ABSOLUTE BARE MINIMUM amount of hands you need to determine winrate is at least 30'000 hands. The ideal being 100'000 hands+

You don't know your winrate yet!
 
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Are you a winner over 100k hands at this limit?

If you are not or have no idea, you don't need a bankroll... you need a budget. How can you determine the variance if you don't know if you are even a winner yet?

You need to think BUDGET. That is:
1.) whilst attempting to beat this limit how much can I afford to lose and how much can I top up if required?
2.) Also, when do I decide enough is enough and drop down stakes to 2nl?

Ask those questions instead and you decide the answers!

There is a lot of truth to this. In principle only professional poker players really need a bankroll. This is because, poker is their only source of income, so if they cannot play, because they are broke, they have no way to pay their bills.

For online micro stakes players however poker is not our main source of income, and rather than asking “how much money do I need to have”, its more relevant to ask, “what stakes should I play”. And in general the answer to that will be the highest stakes, which you can beat, and where you will not go on tilt due to a normal downswing.

Or in some cases we can choose to play in games, we are maybe not beating, because we want to train and become better. And then its reasonable, as you say, to determine in advance, when we give up and move down.

Strictly speaking a non-professional online cash game player only need a bankroll of 60$, because this is the amount of money, which will ensure, he can continue to play 2NL. Anything above that can be used for “shot taking”, and which rules, you set up for yourself, is mostly a question of limiting tilt.
 
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that makes perfect sense. Thanks fundiver.
 
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my day was tense today I lost 12 $ in the cash game 0.05 / 0.10 SNAP 888Poker, to close I had a bad beats myself on the button with 77 the villain in UTG1 with TT the flop 4s, 6s, 7of turn Ts the River 9o pot $ 24.
 
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yeah it depends of what kind of player you are.
if you are aggresive and have big swings you should have a bigger br
if you on the tighter side than i think you can make it with a smaller br
whatever makes you feel comfortable
 
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I had a good session 1.5hrs in only. On the 5NL Snap(888)
I 9x my buy in right now. Still at it! Best I've done so far. Wish me luck! Lots of fish right now it must be high tide:D

I just hate that this could've been 50nl or 200nl and produce the same results. What a tease!
 

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It depends. If you're a solid winning player you can get away with 15-20 buy ins at these stakes and be fine due to weak opponents. Once you move up some, then I would recommend 40-100 buy-ins for variance.
 
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So I play either reg table or Snap(888), FF(Party) 5NL 3 tables running ($15 BI)
So.. if I want to play 3 5NL tables, and at 100BI bankroll, should my bankroll be $500 or $1500?
And, I'm assuming a few of you would say it depends on me.
But what would you do?

I play with a 40BI Bankroll at 5NL fyi. ($200)
And I succeed one day. Lose another, so basically breaking even but it's building my rakeback at least.

Thanks!


$500 is the correct amount.

The common bankroll rules are based on risk of ruin per hand played.


Multitabling means you are getting more hands per hour, and it also means you are moving towards the long run faster, thereby actually decreasing the variance.

The total buyins is based on the limits you're playing, number of tables doesn't matter.
As long as you're playing an amount of tables you're comfortable with, and you're keeping a bankroll that doesn't have you feeling stressed then you're doing things right :playingba

 
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I can’t advise you anything sensible, since I’m not a specialist in the cash-zoom game, but I wish you good luck in your endeavors and find answers to all your questions!
 
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It is a common misconception that the amount of tables you play impacts bankroll management. It doesn't, unless you are literally planning to play 30+ tables at a time.

And this is because variance remains the exact same. Adding tables (assuming your level of play remains the same) simply allows you to get to the long run faster.

My recommendations are 30 buy-ins as a bare minimum for recreational poker players in 2020. 50+ buy-ins for pros.

My complete guide to bankroll management is here:

https://www.blackrain79.com/2015/06/the-complete-guide-to-bankroll.html
 
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