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actionjmac

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I was playing a 1 dollar NLH tourney earlier this evening and had to make a pretty big decision early on in a tourney. Let me know what you think. I was delt QQ on the button. Blinds are 40-80, UTG Goes all in for 940. Then UTG+1 goes all in for 5045. It gets folded around to me and I have 8655, and I instantly call out his hand of AK. So I think about it and end up folding because my thinking is that it is still early in the tourney, and if I really do think he has AK then Im racing for 5k and I didn't think it was a smart play but Im not that great at the math so maybe with the extra 950+80+40 in the pot then it might have been worth it. He did have AK by the way and a Queen flopped but that is besides the point. Would like all opinions please!!!
 
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try reposting with a HH file here for a better response.
 
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My opinion..
Instant fold..with 8k and blinds are low there are no reason to race this early in the tournament. But then again this is a 1 dollar tourney..So I would agree with a fold or call here
 
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i agree with tiger fold because it is the right move early in a tourney no need to race yet but also agree it is just a 1 dollar buyin probably not to many skilled players especially early on alot of donks trying to get lucky even the guy with Ak who went all in and pushed you out could of just called most likely if some one else (like you) makes the call for 980 they are going to have a hand and if he doesnt hit the flop and you do and you bet he should know that you have the winning hand and fold hi ak. (that is if he knows what he is doing of course he might call if you bet the right price )
 
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qq vs ak is about 58-42 or something like that, therefore you should always be calling since you win more than you lose and the money of the shortstack is in there aswell boosting your odds
 
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Its hard to say for me if i would have called or folded. a lot is going to depend oh how the all in had been playing up to that point. If he had been playing loose and pushing any A i would have called, but if he had been a tight aggresive player i would have folded putting him on A's or K's. If i was confident on him having AK i would have called as you had the odds in your favor and even if he did get lucky to hit his A or K you would still have chips to rebuild with.

g/l
 
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You did the right thing, but it depends on what you really want here. A race or save face?
 
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Yup, unless you have a good enough read to put him on AA or KK call & his reraise to allin instead of just calling would seem to indicate he didn't want any other action.
 
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I would have done the same thing,... hard to lay down thoses Q's but.......
 
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^^^ poker orifice

But..... what?
 
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Folding there was fine as you were playing against 2 opponents that were willing to put all of there chips on the line.:cool:
 

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AKKiller14

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You never know before you saw`d it

I had done like you in the past,- its like you never loose the feeling
in that moment is a strong one and you had to play it.;)
 
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In a tourney, survival is the most important thing. From that POV, laying down QQ is not such a bad thing when you believe villain is sitting AK. There is another aspect of this play though. You can now pat yourself on the back about showing yourself you are able to lay down big hands. In time that ability will pay off with higher finishes in MTT's and SnG's.
 
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i would call since i like to take chances early on to build a big stack
 
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Yup, unless you have a good enough read to put him on AA or KK call & his reraise to allin instead of just calling would seem to indicate he didn't want any other action.

You seriously don't think that AA or KK raises to isolate the all in short stack? Wow. I just can't agree with that read AT ALL. If anything, I would think that there is a greater chance of the big pair re-raising here, and AK just making the call (in case another big stack wakes up with AA or KK and three bets all in).

Anyway, there are 16 ways to make AK and six ways each to make AA and KK (total of 12), so your opponent is 4:3 fav to have AK, which you are then an approximate 50% favorite against.

You are getting some extra value from the first all in shover, but not enough to justify a call, from a purely mathematical stand point (IF you think he only could have AK, AA, or KK here-- adding other hands obvioulsy changes the math).

Also, it's kind of bs to say "I immediately call his hand"-- you don't get to just put someone on a hand preflop just because it's the one you want him to have/the one you can beat. Your opponent has a RANGE of hands, and you need to make your calculations based on all the possible hands he could have, not just the one you want him to have.
 
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^^^ indeed AG, but wouldnt you call here? surely the person could be re raising to isolate with any pock pair 6's or higher aswell, making us a massive favourite? Aswell as a,k and maybe even a,q from teh loosest of player.
 
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Just had similar situation. I called. Ended SS had ak off, mid position RR aj suited, flop trip qs for me nut flush for big stack, no help and I'm gone. I think you made right decision, but it's so hard to lay those ladies down early in the tourney against LAGs, even 2 of them.
 
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I would have thought about it too....but would have called...can't help myself with a high pocket pair.
 
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I would fold because one or both players could have A or K and got a pair higher than mine or even they could flush. For me QQ is not a good hand to go all-in with more than one opponent.
 
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Raise all in and a re-raise in front of me? I am folding this most of the time. You have to think at least one of them has a high pocket pair (AA,KK) or at the very least AK.

Being so early in a MTT, do you really want to flip for your tournament life?

I am also impressed with OP saying that the fact a Q came on the board was irrelevent. Shows that he is not results orientated.
 
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I think you have to go all in there

I always feel like early on in tourneys people play way to aggressive and since you were the chip leader it was definitely worth playing your ladies....i think too many people overplay A K in tournaments and that guy made an super aggressive move....my advice is to always go all in with JJ or higher....if u lose u lose but its worth a shot ......and like in this example you would have hit the set and won...another side note....chip leaders usually win in showdowns on internet play...its the computer systems way of eleiminating shortstacks and not allowing the toruney to run for longer than 4 1/2 hrs.....most tourneys on full tilt with 300-400 people run for about 4 1/2 hours...track it sometime if u doubt me.....good luck at the tables boys and girls..
 
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I always feel like early on in tourneys people play way to aggressive and since you were the chip leader it was definitely worth playing your ladies....i think too many people overplay A K in tournaments and that guy made an super aggressive move....my advice is to always go all in with JJ or higher....if u lose u lose but its worth a shot ......and like in this example you would have hit the set and won...another side note....chip leaders usually win in showdowns on internet play...its the computer systems way of eleiminating shortstacks and not allowing the toruney to run for longer than 4 1/2 hrs.....most tourneys on full tilt with 300-400 people run for about 4 1/2 hours...track it sometime if u doubt me.....good luck at the tables boys and girls..

That is a ridiculous statement and should not be let pass. There is no doomsday switch in online poker, period. The cards fall the same way they would live. That would mean if I have the chip lead I should shove every hand 'cause the site is going to let me win the hand.
 
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i mean if your playing with a play you honestly would be able to make read like that on then more power to you, but racing is part of the game and sometimes you needa call with the 3rd best starting hand in the game. obviously youre risking 5k but sometimes you needa race in order to win these things. personally i think you shoulda called.
howd you do in this tourney btw?
 
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The odds to the someone come only with cards from A to Q is near 10%, I usualy check and them bet to "feel" the player .. with QQ is good to see the flop before a all-in as has the odds of highetcard times pair-in-board .. what is usualy hight for this... my lowest hand for all-in is AQ .. that staticaly performs better than QQ..

(engineering student.. hehehe :D )
 
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i believe that u should have called 4 one main reason. it was a 1 dollar buy in tourney. it al types of idiots. u r not playing against chris ferguson or phill ivey. at that level i believe good players who dont really have the money or bankroll to play at higher levels tend to overthink and outplay themselves in low buyin tourneys. especilay b4 the first break
 
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