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Riley2bits
Rising Star
Bronze Level
I played a hand last night and a decision to call on the turn is bothering me...
The game is a €1/€2 cash game with 9 players with a little bit of action. The button is on seat 5 and I am BB at seat 7.
On seat 1 there is a guy who is very cold faced and having sat at the table now for 3 hours he has not said a single word to anyone. I have been watching him fairly closely for any tells or anything else but nothing I could detect except that he seems to be a solid TAG player and probably best described as moderately aggressive. I have not seen him go all-in and I have not seen any of his cards at show down where he did not win although he did not win every hand - it just happened on the loosing hand the sequence meant he mucked before having to show. He has a stack of 700-800 euro that has been growing steadily over a few hours. On seat 9 we have a player who I know and who is a bit of a LAG - i.e. he is moderately aggressive with a wide range especially pre-flop.
The guys at the table probably regard me as a TAG and sometimes behave like a bit of a LAG. My aggression level is moderate and not bully(ish) and I try to vary a bit. I usually show the occasional missed bluff or where I didn't fill a draw. I had done this earlier in this game.
On this particular hand I am dealt A-10 of spades and there is a button straddle. I just call the straddle on BB and seat 9 calls also. Seat 1 raises to 25 and everyone folds around to me and I call. Seat 9 follows with a call. The Pot is now €85.
The flop comes Ace of diamonds, 2 of hearts and 6 of Spades. The betting from me and seat 9 goes check, check and seat 1 bets 40 - a fairly standard C-bet in my opinion. With top pair I decide to call but I genuinely misclicked and instead of putting in a €25 and 3 x €5 chips, I accidentally put in a €25, 2 x €5 chips and a €100 chip which was inadvertently mixed in my €5 chip stack. Instinctively, I called a misclick and the dealer spontaneously called the floor manager. The ruling was that because I didn't verbalise "Call" or anything else, then the floor manager, as expected, said the raise to €135 stood. Seat 9 folded and after a short pause (plus the time for the misclick discussion) Seat 1 called and the Pot was now €355.
The turn came 8 of spades and at this stage Seat 1 pushed all in with close to €600 . I had about €420 left in my stack.
This was my thinking was as follows :
I had mixed views - At this stage I put him on one of three types of hand - he either has a small set (perhaps 2, 6s or more likely 8s), he has AK or he has a high(ish) middle pair like JJ or QQ. I feel given the board texture that if he had pocket Aces then he would have played for value - as I said this level of all-in aggression is not something I have seen from him but maybe my misclick changed that. If he has a set or AK I am clearly behind but if he had the JJ or QQ I was already ahead with the nut flush draw.
When I considered his bet on the turn I am a little unsure. On one hand if he was trying to push me off the pot then the time to do that was immediately after I misclicked and before the turn but perhaps he didn't think of that right away or perhaps he still only had a non-ace pocket pair. As I said I felt that if he had the nuts set, with AA in his pocket then this was not a value bet and not a play for value.... The Pot was now €775 and all-in from me should have meant putting a further 420 into the pot.
I was trying to evaluate what the impact of the misclick might have been - did he see my declaration as weakness or regardless should this have had nothing to do with anything about my call decision.
In the end I called and I rivered the 9 or spades and won the pot of approx €1200. Because I was first to show he mucked and I did not see what he had.
My question is this .....
Was this a fishing call by me on the turn that just got lucky and what should I have done in this position ?
Thanks....
The game is a €1/€2 cash game with 9 players with a little bit of action. The button is on seat 5 and I am BB at seat 7.
On seat 1 there is a guy who is very cold faced and having sat at the table now for 3 hours he has not said a single word to anyone. I have been watching him fairly closely for any tells or anything else but nothing I could detect except that he seems to be a solid TAG player and probably best described as moderately aggressive. I have not seen him go all-in and I have not seen any of his cards at show down where he did not win although he did not win every hand - it just happened on the loosing hand the sequence meant he mucked before having to show. He has a stack of 700-800 euro that has been growing steadily over a few hours. On seat 9 we have a player who I know and who is a bit of a LAG - i.e. he is moderately aggressive with a wide range especially pre-flop.
The guys at the table probably regard me as a TAG and sometimes behave like a bit of a LAG. My aggression level is moderate and not bully(ish) and I try to vary a bit. I usually show the occasional missed bluff or where I didn't fill a draw. I had done this earlier in this game.
On this particular hand I am dealt A-10 of spades and there is a button straddle. I just call the straddle on BB and seat 9 calls also. Seat 1 raises to 25 and everyone folds around to me and I call. Seat 9 follows with a call. The Pot is now €85.
The flop comes Ace of diamonds, 2 of hearts and 6 of Spades. The betting from me and seat 9 goes check, check and seat 1 bets 40 - a fairly standard C-bet in my opinion. With top pair I decide to call but I genuinely misclicked and instead of putting in a €25 and 3 x €5 chips, I accidentally put in a €25, 2 x €5 chips and a €100 chip which was inadvertently mixed in my €5 chip stack. Instinctively, I called a misclick and the dealer spontaneously called the floor manager. The ruling was that because I didn't verbalise "Call" or anything else, then the floor manager, as expected, said the raise to €135 stood. Seat 9 folded and after a short pause (plus the time for the misclick discussion) Seat 1 called and the Pot was now €355.
The turn came 8 of spades and at this stage Seat 1 pushed all in with close to €600 . I had about €420 left in my stack.
This was my thinking was as follows :
I had mixed views - At this stage I put him on one of three types of hand - he either has a small set (perhaps 2, 6s or more likely 8s), he has AK or he has a high(ish) middle pair like JJ or QQ. I feel given the board texture that if he had pocket Aces then he would have played for value - as I said this level of all-in aggression is not something I have seen from him but maybe my misclick changed that. If he has a set or AK I am clearly behind but if he had the JJ or QQ I was already ahead with the nut flush draw.
When I considered his bet on the turn I am a little unsure. On one hand if he was trying to push me off the pot then the time to do that was immediately after I misclicked and before the turn but perhaps he didn't think of that right away or perhaps he still only had a non-ace pocket pair. As I said I felt that if he had the nuts set, with AA in his pocket then this was not a value bet and not a play for value.... The Pot was now €775 and all-in from me should have meant putting a further 420 into the pot.
I was trying to evaluate what the impact of the misclick might have been - did he see my declaration as weakness or regardless should this have had nothing to do with anything about my call decision.
In the end I called and I rivered the 9 or spades and won the pot of approx €1200. Because I was first to show he mucked and I did not see what he had.
My question is this .....
Was this a fishing call by me on the turn that just got lucky and what should I have done in this position ?
Thanks....
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