The 5x Button or 5x the Opponent's Bet Sizing in 6-Max Cash

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Okay, something I have been doing on Online 6-Max Cash Games that has helped me so far which is using the 5x button or for anyone who plays on a different poker site other than ignition, you just raise to 5x preflop if no 5x button exists.

I play a TAG style for the most part, so no garbage hands unless I am up against players who overfold. But whenever I am willing to get involved in a hand, I never touch the 3x button even on 3x hands. The 5x button I use based on the idea that aggression prints money against risk-averse opponents.

And in the event when I am on the button or cutoff, I 3-bet around 5x the original raise size. What usually happens is that I either get called going heads-up to the flop only for my opponent to give up on the first sign of a bet from me, or that same opponent folds pre.

Do any of you see yourselves using this method? Why or why not?

I have never touched the 3x button since because it allows opponents to call and catch somehow.
 
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I can see upping my open sizing as an adjustment to player tendencies and/or table dynamics. My regular games tend to have many loose-passive fish and I do adjust sizing a bit. It puts more money into the pot that I can take down with a cbet and I typically have a range advantage preflop that I would like to get a bit of extra value from.

I know lately I have been taking many pots down uncontested with a cbet in position, especially vs specific fish type players. Normally I 2.5x the button and 3x every other position, adding in for limpers. Vs the players I mentioned I up my sizing 3.5x to 4.5x in all positions and even a 1/2 pot cbet takes the pot down pretty frequently. This is of course assuming there aren't players at the table that will make an adjustment to me, or player types that may make me choose to stick with my standard sizing.

Overall I think finding certain situations where you can get a bit more value at the micro stakes makes a lot of sense and I do in the ways I mentioned above. Moving up in limits or vs a known thinking player I feel balance becomes a bit more important.
 
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Oversized preflop open raises like 5BB is often seen in soft live games, and maybe its fine to do in very soft online games as well. The theoretical disadvantage is, that you lose more, when you get 3-bet, and you get to steal the blinds less often, because you cant profitable raise to 5BB with the bottom of a normal opening range.
 
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Okay, something I have been doing on Online 6-Max Cash Games that has helped me so far which is using the 5x button or for anyone who plays on a different poker site other than Ignition, you just raise to 5x preflop if no 5x button exists.

I play a TAG style for the most part, so no garbage hands unless I am up against players who overfold. But whenever I am willing to get involved in a hand, I never touch the 3x button even on 3x hands. The 5x button I use based on the idea that aggression prints money against risk-averse opponents.

And in the event when I am on the button or cutoff, I 3-bet around 5x the original raise size. What usually happens is that I either get called going heads-up to the flop only for my opponent to give up on the first sign of a bet from me, or that same opponent folds pre.

Do any of you see yourselves using this method? Why or why not?

I have never touched the 3x button since because it allows opponents to call and catch somehow.


Thank you for posting.

If the blinds are very straight forward post flop 5xing as an open to get position by getting BTN folds and playing heads up versus weak blind players has value.
Targeting specific players who open too wide and call too wide pre and over fold flops is also good value.

On the BTN that sizing has less value as we want our weaker players to play beyond preflop. NL ROI is about winning stacks not blinds. VS weak blind players we would rather open limp hands on the BTN then 5x raise them.

Post flop is where all the ROI is because our V make more mistakes. We are here in the forum to be learning growing players so learning to be better than our V post flop has the greatest pay off for us. Therefore we want to be playing post flop more often and using these forums to get good at that.

Hope this helps
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