what would you do with your AA here?

Tygran

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Just wondered what most of you would do.

For some background, juicemyster is running about 36/12/3. I have seen him reraise AQo similar to how he did here before (to give you an idea of his reraising range). I have a feeling no matter what I do if he has 1 (or 2) spades he's going to the end.

pokerstars GAME #14609946765: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/01/16 - 21:07:55 (ET)
Table 'Herberta III' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: DaJetz82 ($9.60 in chips)
Seat 2: juicemyster ($35.65 in chips)
Seat 3: SuperSeppi ($29.55 in chips)
Seat 4: fAb1aN ($25 in chips)
Seat 6: JustR82 ($34.05 in chips)
Seat 7: Terenos ($38.85 in chips)
Seat 8: Tygran37 ($25.55 in chips)
Seat 9: 45mudcat ($68 in chips)
SuperSeppi: posts small blind $0.10
fAb1aN: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Ad Ah]
JustR82: folds
Terenos: folds
Tygran37: raises $0.50 to $0.75
45mudcat: folds
DaJetz82: folds
juicemyster: raises $3.25 to $4
SuperSeppi: folds
fAb1aN: folds
Tygran37: raises $7 to $11
juicemyster: calls $7
*** FLOP *** [6s Qs 5s]
Tygran37: ????
 
Dorkus Malorkus

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Guessing based on OP that villain had AsQ and hit. ^^

Anyway, given stacks and the pot size I think that the flop is a pretty standard shove. If he has AsKs or something it's just one of those unfortunate things. I doubt many (if any) other 2-spade hands are in his range here (he's not 3-betting and calling a 4-bet with AsX, surely).

So shove. Most of the time villain will fold, and you gain value from the occasions where he calls with stuff like KK/AsK-Q.
 
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Insta-shove. If he has Q's or AsKs, so be it. But we're ahead of 1 spade draws, and its not like you have any $ left behind. There's ~22$ in the pot, and you have about 15$ left behind. I insta-shove here all day.
 
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You represented AA well pre-flop. Pot is $22.35. You have him covered.
I would slowplay it here. I think he has one spade paint and/or KK.

check-call for me up to 1/2 pot.
 
Tygran

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Guessing based on OP that villain had AsQ and hit. ^^

While he certainly could have AQ (with or without a spade) here, I wasn't trying to "lead" the analysis by suggesting it. Mentioned only because it's the only one of his preflop reraises that got to showdown that I had seen and felt it was relevant to demonstrate his likely range is fairly large here.

But no that hand really wouldn't surprise me a ton at this point.
 
Dorkus Malorkus

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Maybe I underestimated you. :)

Heck, villain is invariably calling a flop shove with AQ and no spades - it's definitely a shove.

I just get the feeling this is one of those 'I shoved the flop and this hand wouldn't have been posted if I hadn't lost it' hands, but I would be happy to be wrong!
 
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Somewhere I can hear Salt-N-Peppa singing "Push It". You basically committed preflop (which is great with AA). Don't back out now.
 
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I'd go all-in without giving it much consideration. It's not a great flop for you, but there's no reason why it should be better for him. If you knew he had a spade, then all in would be the correct play, if he's got 2 spades or QQ then he got lucky but you'd have been all-in preflop anyway if he'd re-reraised you which was your initial aim. You've not got enough left ($14) to bet an amount to get any info from, meaning you can't possibly fold to a re-raise, and If you check you'll give him the opportunity to bluff you with a weaker hand.


If you times the starting stacks by 10 then it's a different problem, but as is, easy peasy shove.
 
Tygran

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OK there seems to more or less be a consensus on shove it.

Also I was never contemplating folding this with the amount of money in the middle and a loose opponent.. Like a couple of you said if he had QQ or a made flush well he got lucky and not much I can do about it.

So the question basically becomes do I make the "safer" play and shove it, or do I attempt to coax some more money out of him in some way.

It kinda came down to check/calling not being an option because if he is on a draw he'll take the free card and that's the last thing I want to do.

So I was debating between betting ~$5-$7 and hoping for a shove which I would call or just shoving it now. Part of the reason for this was I felt he would probably shove with TT, JJ, KK type hands as well as AQ if I took this line.



Anyway, I went ahead and shoved and he used every second of time he had before folding it. So he obviously had something even if it was just a single spade, guess it's possible that was enough to scare him off a draw.
 
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So I was debating between betting ~$5-$7 and hoping for a shove which I would call or just shoving it now.
Personally i'd be more likely to call an all-in with a middling hand, than one of these pretty obvious lure bets. I wouldn't have worried too much about trying to eek a few more chips out of a 10 10 hand, the flop has killed the action and has probably saved him from being stacked, but you are right, you don't want to give him free chances to beat you.
 
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The problem with the smaller bet is that you're giving him the correct odds to call and draw to the flush on the turn with a single spade. You played it right. Nice hand.
 
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Correct play IMO here is to fold, then kick yourself for not raising bigger PF in a middle position. PF here was either a smooth call limp, or a 5x raise.

I myself would not be found guilty of correct play here.

My take on this would be (in my better moments) not whether he hit the flush on the flop, but rather, with my reads on the guy, do I believe he is bluffing.
Then depending on how I answer myself, whether I want to put a large percentage of my stack at risk on a read. That would call for a very confident read.

Lately I have been exploring the different reactions to a 3x, 4x, or 5x raise. The 3x is so standard, it chases fewer these days than it did even 6 months ago. The 4x acts a bit better than the 3x did 6 months ago, and the 5x throws everyone at the table. Seems half the good players will think it is an over the top bluff, while the other half don't believe you. It will generally chase out the rabble though.

An occasional smooth call (limp) with AA has to happen (mix it up son!) and don't you wish you would have done it here?
 
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Correct play IMO here is to fold, then kick yourself for not raising bigger PF in a middle position. PF here was either a smooth call limp, or a 5x raise.

I myself would not be found guilty of correct play here.

My take on this would be (in my better moments) not whether he hit the flush on the flop, but rather, with my reads on the guy, do I believe he is bluffing.
Then depending on how I answer myself, whether I want to put a large percentage of my stack at risk on a read. That would call for a very confident read.

Lately I have been exploring the different reactions to a 3x, 4x, or 5x raise. The 3x is so standard, it chases fewer these days than it did even 6 months ago. The 4x acts a bit better than the 3x did 6 months ago, and the 5x throws everyone at the table. Seems half the good players will think it is an over the top bluff, while the other half don't believe you. It will generally chase out the rabble though.

An occasional smooth call (limp) with AA has to happen (mix it up son!) and don't you wish you would have done it here?

It would be better to fold your AA preflop than fold after putting in half your stack. Against a single opponent you have to push here every time. Limping here is also wrong. Maybe UTG when you think it is likely a late aggresive player will raise, but not here. If there were even a couple of other limpers with no preflop raise Tygran would have likely had to check/fold on this flop.
 
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The problem with the smaller bet is that you're giving him the correct odds to call and draw to the flush on the turn with a single spade. You played it right. Nice hand.

Thanks but I did want to comment on this. You are right that if he has a flush draw he would call and be correct to do so, but the reason I was considering that line is that this particular player would also incorrectly call with a good number of other hands as well, or at least I believed so at the time. Against most opponents or an unknown I wouldn't consider that move.
 
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You represented AA well pre-flop. Pot is $22.35. You have him covered.
I would slowplay it here. I think he has one spade paint and/or KK.

check-call for me up to 1/2 pot.

Not the right play imo. Say the flop goes check check, turn brings a spade. Then what?

I say push here when we are more than likely ahead and can still get value from hands we beat
 
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