This is a discussion on What would you do here ? within the online poker forums, in the Cash Game Hand Analysis section; This just happened on an NL5 table on 888poker. I want to know if you think it's a nitty fold:
Hero SB $8.47
This just happened on an NL5 table on 888poker. I want to know if you think it's a nitty fold:
Hero SB $8.47
UTG + 1 $1.97
UTG makes it $0.15
UTG + 1 raises to $0.45
Action folds to Hero in the SB, call $0.45
BB calls $0.45
UTG calls $0.45
SB (Hero) checks
BB bets $0.90
UTG raises all in ($3.63)
UTG +1 calls all in ($1.52)
What am I supposed to do here?? I have an under-repped over pair but feel like there is no way that I can be good here 4 ways facing so much aggression?
I end up folding. BB folds too.
UTG shows and UTG+1 shows
So I would've had the best hand.
Is this a nitty fold?
Hi there Willrumble21, good evening and thank you very much for sharing your hand with the CardsChat community.
First of all, giving that UTG raised 3 blinds, and UTG+1 3-bets, this is a very easy preflop fold with 99, TT, JJ and QQ.
You will play out of position in relation to 2 or 3 players (the Big Blind didn't speak yet).
When you call in the SB you don't know for sure what BB is going to do and which action the original preflop raisor (UTG) will take.
If either BB 4-bet/Squeezes or UTG 4-bet/Squeezes what is your action? Call, 5-bet/Push or fold?
99-QQ will me mostly dominated by the UTG and UTG+1's range: AA, KK and AKs.
On the other hand, if you know that both UTG, UTG+1 and BB are really whales you can put up a 5-bet shove, but even so you will be flipping (best case scenario) versus those ranges.
TT will flip with QJ, KJ, KQ, AK, AQ, AJ.
Preflop it's split between raising and folding. At lower stakes like NL5, I like fold more, because UTG1 rarely will have bluff there. However, if you thin UTG and UTG1 are LAGs you can 4bet, otherwise it's easy fold.
On the flop, I like your fold. Both villains easily can have QQ+ and BB can have sets. It's clear fold.
Yeah man, I too think you've done the right thing. Personally, with TT and lower, and even with JJ, I learned not to get in unless for cheap or when it's folded to me and I'm the aggressor. Of course we see crazy things take place (Especially in freerolls and small stakes), when the folded hand could've turned into a monster postflop, but that's no excuse and we should keep playing as correctly as we're able to.
Good luck to you..
With two raisers in front of you it´s propably best to fold preflop. I think its hard to play mid Pocket pairs because at one point there will be either an overcard or some kind of a draw on the board so you will always have to face some hard decisions.
As played its an easy fold Postflop its not worth risking that much.
You are out of position...you gotta re-raise preflop. IF they call... you lead out that flop all day, every day. Pot it.
As played...don't check the flop....pot it. But since you checked...you had to fold b/c you probably figured you were up against a higher pair. Had you repopped preflop, you may have taken it down before any flop action. And, if people want to stick around with 2 overs after a 4 bet flop, pot sized bet on the flop then....so be it.
$2 & $5 NL tables I just get it in with 99’s up Preflop. The amount of times you see A4 A5 A6 upwards is unreal at these stakes. When I first got told this I was like really! But the amount of times I’ve seen hands in this situation afterwards proved to me it was sound advice.
I guess it matters how many players are involved. 3 in total I call, more than 3 I fold.
Getting it in OOP also stops postflop play OOP.
With no reads facing UTG open and UTG+1 3 bet just fold pre. There will be better spots. We have no blockers and if we call UTG can still raise again. We are not getting good enough odds to set mine here. Maybe if all three stacks at $10+ we can set mine but even then, we are OOP and it may be hard to realize our equity. As others have said, this is more of a raise or fold spot and against an UTG open and UTG+1 raise it's a fold. I would fold JJ here too without reads and 4 bet AK, QQ+.
I think, the decision needs to be made preflop. Playing TT 3-handed or even 4-handed out of position in a 3-bet pot is not going to be fun, so for me this is a 4-bet or fold spot. If you are unsure, just fold. But in this specific spot, where we are playing short handed, and both the opponents are short stacked, I think, its fine to 4-bet. We can either just rip it in, or we can make it a little over a dollar with intention to fold, if CO jam. Against BTN we are committed either way.
Standard fold. Sometimes u're gonna fold better hands but remember that he might've showed up with JJ+ easily, and given the pre-flop scenario, his range is pretty much capped to AQ+ and JJ+ at NL5. Unless you have reads on them and marked them as whales I consider fold the absolute best move there.