What would you do faced with this overbet??

KtarzanOB

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6hd cash game .10/.20

I raise 4BB in the cut off with Q9s.
Both the blinds call.

Flop : 5c 2s Qc

SB blind pushes $8.11 into $2.60 pot.

I decided to make the call. I have been calling in this situation at this limit with mixed results. Half the time it is a flush draw, half the time a Q. Havent seen any1 do this with 2pair or a set. Since i am ahead of most of these hands i called. The SB turns over QT and it holds up.

What do you do in this annoying situation. I have called before and been right. I do not have a record of exactly how many times i won in this situation. Usually i will have a better kicker than a nine. I went with my gut on this occassion.

Please give me your opinion on these huge overbets out of position!!!!:confused:
 
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switch0723

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Fold everytime, you beat q,8 maybe q,7. Have to fold against an unknown

Edit: A bit more thought makes me think villain may be doing this with middle pair, or maybe evens tens or nines. So it may be closer to a call than i first thought. Ill run some numbers through pokerstove and see what i get.
 
ChuckTs

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This is impossible to answer without history. How has he been playing? How have you been playing?
 
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switch0723

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what chuck said, plus any stats?
 
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switch0723

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well after running these through pokerstove, technically we should call. Although i have given villain a very very wide range, based on you being readless. If you can give us any stats/reads to narrow down villains range, that will be easier.

These are the pokerstove results and range i gave villain. I included a badly played kk and aa aswell as several flush draw combinations

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 62.148% 60.16% 01.99% 100649 3331.00 { Qs9s }
Hand 1: 37.852% 35.86% 01.99% 59999 3331.00 { KK+, JJ-66, AcKc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KcJc, KcTc, Kc9c, Kc8c, JcTc, Jc9c, Jc8c, Jc7c, Tc9c, Tc8c, 9c8c, 8c7c, 7c6c, 6c5c, 5c2c, 4c3c, 4c2c, 3c2c, AQo, A5o, KQo, K5o, Q5o+, J5o, 65o, 43o }
 
Richyl2008

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I've been seeing these overbets a lot recently. I dont always have a hand that I feel comfortable calling with though, but most of the time that I do I find that they either have top pair or a draw. But then again different players do different things with different hands.
 
KtarzanOB

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stats on player in SB and me for the session

No of hands/ saw flop/ flop turn/ pre flop raise
27/70.4/68.4/18.5

He came to the table with a short stack of $6.83.
Hands that made it to showdown: Th3h QQ(he put in small raise preflop) Jd6d JT(flopped top pair and played it passively) KQ

My stats
30/25.4/40/17.8

I had been playing pretty solid. But trying not to have to tight an image so icould get action on big hands.
 
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switch0723

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^^^ He has a huge figure for VP$IP, so he could have a huge range of hands. Based on his hands that have made it to showdown aswell, he seems to like suited cards. So i think my range above actually fits him pretty well, so i would call here. Even if you lose, you can see what he pushes with for future use.
 
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