Tilt in 8 Hands?

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NuRelic

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I'd only been seated at this table for about one and a half orbits when this series of hands came up. My only solid read on Kobe2777 was that he was Aggressive and although he also appeared to be somewhat loose, I wasn't actually sure because he simply wasn't being called at showdown.

Hand 1:
PokerStars Game #15254884111: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/02/13 - 06:49:12 (ET)
Table 'Dares IV' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: ISSAC-YOON ($11.79 in chips)
Seat 2: Taff76 ($10.51 in chips)
Seat 3: JKilla22 ($18.93 in chips)
Seat 4: Bonnsai ($5.37 in chips)
Seat 5: PiS.DemiGoD ($9.97 in chips)
Seat 6: NuRelic ($5.97 in chips)
Seat 7: labaraka156 ($13.71 in chips)
Seat 8: Qinky ($7.51 in chips)
Seat 9: Kobe2777 ($5.72 in chips)
PiS.DemiGoD: posts small blind $0.02
NuRelic: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NuRelic [:qh4::qc4:]
labaraka156: folds
Qinky: folds
Kobe2777: calls $0.05
ISSAC-YOON: folds
Taff76: folds
JKilla22: folds
Bonnsai: calls $0.05
PiS.DemiGoD: folds
NuRelic: raises $0.25 to $0.30 < Raising it up 6xBB from the BB in hopes of taking it down here.
Kobe2777: calls $0.25
Bonnsai: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jd Ac 9d]
NuRelic: bets $0.35 < Now that
I'm OOP to Kobe2777 I'm in a Jam when the Ace falls. I make a 1/2 pot feeler bet to see where I'm at.
Kobe2777: calls $0.35
*** TURN *** [:jd4::ac4::9d4:] [:9s4:]
NuRelic: bets $0.50 < With the FD looming, I feel relatively confident that my Queens are best, but can't seem to kick my worries about him holding a weak Ace and my bet reflects those fears.
Kobe2777: calls $0.50
*** RIVER ***
[:jd4::ac4::9d4::9s4:] [:5c4:]
NuRelic: checks < I'm stuck and I have no idea where I'm at so instead of continuing to dump chips I opt to check and see what it'll cost me to see what he's holding.
Kobe2777: bets $2
NuRelic: folds
< There's no realistic way I can call this one because there is a chance that he could be holding an Ace but I can't seem to get past the idea that he's just stealing it away from me with something like Jx.
Kobe2777 collected $2.27 from pot
~~~ Kobe Takes Round 1 ~~~

Hand 2:
PokerStars Game #15254897298: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/02/13 - 06:50:46 (ET)
Table 'Dares IV' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: ISSAC-YOON ($11.79 in chips)
Seat 2: Taff76 ($10.51 in chips)
Seat 3: JKilla22 ($18.93 in chips)
Seat 4: Bonnsai ($5.32 in chips)
Seat 5: PiS.DemiGoD ($9.95 in chips)
Seat 6: NuRelic ($4.82 in chips)
Seat 7: labaraka156 ($13.71 in chips)
Seat 8: Qinky ($7.51 in chips)
Seat 9: Kobe2777 ($6.84 in chips)
NuRelic: posts small blind $0.02
labaraka156: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NuRelic [:2h4::ah4:]
Qinky: calls $0.05
Kobe2777: folds
ISSAC-YOON: folds
Taff76: folds
JKilla22: folds
Bonnsai: folds
PiS.DemiGoD: folds
NuRelic: calls $0.03 < Not thrilled with with A2s, but I'm already half invested.
labaraka156: checks
*** FLOP *** [:jd4::qd4::7c4:]
NuRelic: checks
labaraka156: checks
Qinky: checks
*** TURN ***
[:jd4::qd4::7c4:] [:qc4:]
NuRelic: checks
labaraka156: checks
Qinky: bets $0.15
NuRelic: folds < I could try to call this one down, but I feel fairly certain Qinky is prolly holding Jx.
labaraka156: folds
Qinky collected $0.15 from pot
~~~ Kobe Takes Round 2 (kinda) ~~~

Hand 3:
PokerStars Game #15254903502: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/02/13 - 06:51:31 (ET)
Table 'Dares IV' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: ISSAC-YOON ($11.79 in chips)
Seat 2: Taff76 ($10.51 in chips)
Seat 3: JKilla22 ($18.93 in chips)
Seat 4: Bonnsai ($5.32 in chips)
Seat 5: PiS.DemiGoD ($9.95 in chips)
Seat 6: NuRelic ($4.77 in chips)
Seat 7: labaraka156 ($13.66 in chips)
Seat 8: Qinky ($7.61 in chips)
Seat 9: Kobe2777 ($6.84 in chips)
labaraka156: posts small blind $0.02
Qinky: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NuRelic [:ah4::10h4:]
Kobe2777: calls $0.05
ISSAC-YOON: folds
Taff76: folds
JKilla22: folds
Bonnsai: folds
PiS.DemiGoD: folds
NuRelic: raises $0.15 to $0.20
labaraka156: folds
Qinky: calls $0.15
Kobe2777: calls $0.15
*** FLOP *** [:10d4::9s4::10h4:]
Qinky: checks
Kobe2777: bets $0.30
NuRelic: raises $0.30 to $0.60 < I'm not necessarily proud of this mini-raise, but I feel like I'm holding the best hand at the moment and although there is a straight draw, I think Kobe is pushing a middle PP or 9x. My main objective is to get
Qinky out of the hand.
Qinky: folds
Kobe2777: calls $0.30 < When Qinky folds and Kobe just calls, I feel more confident about my hand and options for playing it.
*** TURN *** [
:10d4::9s4::10h4:] [:3h4:]
Kobe2777: checks
NuRelic: bets $0.30 < This is a risky ploy by me, if Kobe is on a SD (and that would be made worse if he gained the FD), but I'm trying to represent that I'm on a steal after mini-Raising Kobe on the Flop.
Kobe2777: calls $0.30 < So far, so good, now I want to see a none scary River.
*** RIVER *** [
:10d4::9s4::10h4::3h4:] [:4s4:]
Kobe2777: checks
NuRelic: bets $2 < I hesitate before betting to try and represent that I'm thinking about how much I would need to bet in order to make it look like I'm still trying to steal this away and finally opt to just pot it.
Kobe2777: calls $2 < It works and he bites.
*** SHOW DOWN ***
NuRelic: shows
[:ah4::10h4:] (three of a kind, Tens)
Kobe2777: mucks hand
NuRelic collected $6.12 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Seat 6: NuRelic (button) showed
[:ah4::10h4:] and won ($6.12) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 9: Kobe2777 mucked [:qc4::9h4:]
~~~ NuRelic Takes Round 3 ~~~

Hand 4:
PokerStars Game #15254915477: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/02/13 - 06:52:56 (ET)
Table 'Dares IV' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: ISSAC-YOON ($11.79 in chips)
Seat 2: Taff76 ($10.51 in chips)
Seat 3: JKilla22 ($18.93 in chips)
Seat 4: Bonnsai ($5.32 in chips)
Seat 5: PiS.DemiGoD ($9.95 in chips)
Seat 6: NuRelic ($7.79 in chips)
Seat 7: labaraka156 ($13.64 in chips)
Seat 8: Qinky ($7.41 in chips)
Seat 9: Kobe2777 ($3.74 in chips)
Qinky: posts small blind $0.02
Kobe2777: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NuRelic [:ac4::9c4:]
ISSAC-YOON: folds
Taff76: folds
JKilla22: folds
Bonnsai: folds
Bonnsai leaves the table
PiS.DemiGoD: folds
NuRelic: calls $0.05 < Wanted to raise this with Kobe in the BB, but I got distracted with another hand on another table (6-tabling) and I missed it.
labaraka156: folds
Qinky: calls $0.03
Kobe2777: checks
*** FLOP *** [:8s4::3s4::8d4:]
Qinky: checks
Kobe2777: checks
NuRelic: checks
*** TURN *** [
:8s4::3s4::8d4:] [:qd4:]
Dara2k joins the table at seat #4
Qinky: checks
Kobe2777: checks
NuRelic: checks
*** RIVER ***
[:8s4::3s4::8d4::qd4:] [:6c4:]
Qinky: checks
Kobe2777: bets $0.10
NuRelic: folds < I prolly had justification for calling, if for no other reason than to see his cards, but after missing the flop on a paired trashy board with Kobe in the BB I was already of the mindset to Check/Fold this one down and focused on my other tables.
Qinky: folds
Kobe2777 collected $0.15 from pot
~~~ Kobe Takes Round 4 ~~~

Hand 5:
PokerStars Game #15254922401: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/02/13 - 06:53:46 (ET)
Table 'Dares IV' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: ISSAC-YOON ($11.79 in chips)
Seat 2: Taff76 ($10.51 in chips)
Seat 3: JKilla22 ($18.93 in chips)
Seat 5: PiS.DemiGoD ($9.95 in chips)
Seat 6: NuRelic ($7.74 in chips)
Seat 7: labaraka156 ($13.64 in chips)
Seat 8: Qinky ($7.36 in chips)
Seat 9: Kobe2777 ($3.84 in chips)
Kobe2777: posts small blind $0.02
ISSAC-YOON: posts big blind $0.05
Dara2k: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NuRelic [:4d4::8s4:]
Taff76: folds
JKilla22: folds
PiS.DemiGoD: folds
NuRelic: folds <Nada.
labaraka156: folds
Qinky: calls $0.05
Kobe2777: calls $0.03
ISSAC-YOON: checks
*** FLOP *** [:kh4::jc4::10d4:]
Kobe2777: bets $0.05
ISSAC-YOON: folds
Qinky: folds
Kobe2777 collected $0.15 from pot
~~~ Kobe Takes Round 5 ~~~

Hand 6:
PokerStars Game #15254930184: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/02/13 - 06:54:40 (ET)
Table 'Dares IV' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: ISSAC-YOON ($11.74 in chips)
Seat 2: Taff76 ($10.51 in chips)
Seat 3: JKilla22 ($18.93 in chips)
Seat 5: PiS.DemiGoD ($9.95 in chips)
Seat 6: NuRelic ($7.74 in chips)
Seat 7: labaraka156 ($13.64 in chips)
Seat 8: Qinky ($7.31 in chips)
Seat 9: Kobe2777 ($3.94 in chips)
ISSAC-YOON: posts small blind $0.02
Taff76: posts big blind $0.05
Dara2k: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NuRelic [:6h4::ah4:]
JKilla22: folds
PiS.DemiGoD: folds
NuRelic: calls $0.05 < Again, I'm not thrilled with this hand and I'm looking to hit 2P, the flop Flush or maybe a draw to the Flush
labaraka156: calls $0.05
Qinky: folds
Kobe2777: calls $0.05
ISSAC-YOON: folds
Taff76: checks
*** FLOP *** [:4s4::qh4::2d4:]
Taff76: checks
NuRelic: checks
labaraka156: checks
Kobe2777: bets $0.10
Taff76: folds
NuRelic: calls $0.10 < Calling because it looks suspisious. I get to thinking he's trying to steal it with position.
labaraka156: folds
*** TURN ***
[:4s4::qh4::2d4:] [:js4:]
NuRelic: checks
Kobe2777: bets $0.25
NuRelic: calls $0.25 < I'm still not convinced.

*** RIVER ***
[:4s4::qh4::2d4::js4:] [:ac4:]
NuRelic: bets $0.40 < Unless he was bluffing with something like KT, I feel like I was prolly ahead all the way but if not I just got lucky and out-drew him with that River Ace. I believe I'm ahead because I think he would have Bet more with a Set on the Turn and I doubt he's holding AQ or QJ because of the way he's played it on the Flop and Turn respectively. My bet is for value because I think he'll prolly call.
Kobe2777: calls $0.40

*** SHOW DOWN ***
NuRelic: shows [:6h4::ah4:] (a pair of Aces)
Kobe2777: mucks hand
NuRelic collected $1.67 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.72 | Rake $0.05

Seat 6: NuRelic showed
[:6h4::ah4:] and won ($1.67) with a pair of Aces
Seat 9: Kobe2777 (button) mucked [:8s4::qs4:]
< I got a lucky River and by now I'm relatively certain Kobe is starting to get annoyed with me.
~~~ NuRelic Takes Round 6 ~~~

Hand 7:
PokerStars Game #15254944309: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/02/13 - 06:56:20 (ET)
Table 'Dares IV' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: ISSAC-YOON ($11.72 in chips)
Seat 2: Taff76 ($10.46 in chips)
Seat 3: JKilla22 ($18.93 in chips)
Seat 5: PiS.DemiGoD ($9.95 in chips)
Seat 6: NuRelic ($8.61 in chips)
Seat 7: labaraka156 ($13.59 in chips)
Seat 8: Qinky ($7.31 in chips)
Seat 9: Kobe2777 ($3.14 in chips)
Taff76: posts small blind $0.02
JKilla22: posts big blind $0.05
Dara2k: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NuRelic [:jc4::4d4:]
PiS.DemiGoD: folds
NuRelic: folds < Nada II.
labaraka156: calls $0.05
Qinky: folds
Kobe2777: folds
~~~ Round 7 is a Draw~~~

Hand 8:
PokerStars Game #15254950152: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/02/13 - 06:57:01 (ET)
Table 'Dares IV' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: ISSAC-YOON ($11.72 in chips)
Seat 2: Taff76 ($10.44 in chips)
Seat 3: JKilla22 ($18.88 in chips)
Seat 4: Dara2k ($2 in chips)
Seat 5: PiS.DemiGoD ($9.95 in chips)
Seat 6: NuRelic ($8.61 in chips)
Seat 7: labaraka156 ($13.66 in chips)
Seat 8: Qinky ($7.31 in chips)
Seat 9: Kobe2777 ($3.14 in chips)
JKilla22: posts small blind $0.02
Dara2k: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NuRelic [:10s4::10c4:]
PiS.DemiGoD: folds
NuRelic: raises $0.15 to $0.20 < Bumping it up 4xBB to try and get it past Kobe and/or to just try take it down here. If I can't accomplish either of those options I'd still like to see if I can at least significantly narrow the field.
labaraka156: folds
Qinky: folds
Kobe2777: raises $0.40 to $0.60
ISSAC-YOON: folds
Taff76: folds
JKilla22: folds
Dara2k: folds
NuRelic: calls $0.40 < Okay, I'm not sure whether he's on Full-Tilt or whether he's got a solid hand but I'm definitely leaning towards Tilt. So I put him on either a small to middle PP or Ace Paint.
*** FLOP *** [:jc4::10d4::as4:]
NuRelic: bets $0.20 < I don't believe that he pushed me back Pre-Flop with KQ and I think it's highly probable that he's holding Ace Paint. So with me holding a set and knowing that he's prolly on Tilt, I make a small Feeler/Juice bet in hopes that he'll push back.
Kobe2777: raises $2.34 to $2.54 and is all-in
NuRelic: calls $2.34 < Well, instead of pushing he just opts to shove and it's an insta-call for me.

*** TURN ***
[:jc4::10d4::as4:] [:4h4:]
*** RIVER ***
[:jc4::10d4::as4::4h4:] [:qh4:]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
NuRelic: shows
[:10s4::10c4:] (three of a kind, Tens)
Seat 9: Kobe2777 mucked [? ?]

So the question is whether Kobe was on Tilt or not, what do you think he was holding?


 
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viking999

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If he was on tilt, then he's exceptionally unstable. He lost only one significant hand. I'm guessing he had something. I'd put him on AQ. It's only a borderline reraising hand, but every other reraising hand beats you by the river. There's a small chance he had AJ or AT, as well (this is the only time he reraised preflop, so it's hard to tell his range).
 
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This is assuming he's not on tilt..

I'm trying to think what he's reraising with after you raise UTG+1. The only hands I think I'd do that with are AA, QQ, KK or AK but he can't have any of them. Anything with a king is also out. Best guess is AQ as he'd have had top pair with a good kicker. AJ and AT are possible too for the 2 pair.

If he's on tilt then I'm guessing any two cards :)

One comment on your play. In hand 6 you said you weren't convinced by his bets and kept calling with A high. Why didn't you raise him on the flop? If he had something then you were just feeding him chips with no information on what he had.
 
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I'll guess AJ, AT but possibly Jx.

But I'm more concerned about your fixation with Kobe!

It is a situation we all find ourselves in occasionally. As the only seemingly active players at a table, we tend to focus on outplaying the other active player. For me this is a -EV situation, and the instant I recognize it (sometimes even in time to save my sorry ass), I go tight passive aggressive. I would rather let villain build a bigger stack, than blow mine trying to outplay said villain.

I have found it useful to focus on the hand in play, and use any reads on villains as accessories, not as primary focal points.

I understand much of poker is playing the player not the cards, but tunnel vision (such as this fixation with Kobe) leaves me in particular way too open to the blindside from one of the other players at the table.
 
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One comment on your play. In hand 6 you said you weren't convinced by his bets and kept calling with A high. Why didn't you raise him on the flop? If he had something then you were just feeding him chips with no information on what he had.

Your absolutely right, about me calling rather than raising if I thought I was ahead. My reason for calling was two-fold: (1) I did think he was bluffing and that my Ace-high might have been good, but I wasn't sure and, ill-regardless of whether I was good or not, (2) I wanted to see his cards and was willing to pay for it. Remember in my preface I mentioned that in the 1-1/2 orbits leading up to this series I hadn't seen him to showdown, but he was involved in most of those hands. I just needed to see if he was on a nice run of cards or very loose with his starting hand selection. Nice pickup! :icon_thum
 
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I understand much of poker is playing the player not the cards, but tunnel vision (such as this fixation with Kobe) leaves me in particular way too open to the blindside from one of the other players at the table.

I definitely agree with you and my fixation while this series was playing out wasn't in anyway near as focused as the way it appears in my breakdown. In real time, I only became aware of Kobe because of the hand where I held QQ. As a general rule when I'm multi-tabling I do have many reads on my opponents and when I find myself in a relatively tough spot on a larger than average pot, I'll pull up the hand history and do a quick glance through to see how active he's been. It was only when he popped me back while I was holding QQ that I looked him up and saw that he had been involved (and won) most of the hands played during my time at the table. I'm only highlighting it here because I thought it was interesting.
 
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Just have a little analysis on the first hand - the one with pocket queens.

Firstly, i hope you werent raising to take it down, i hope you were raising to bloat the pot and induce action. I agree with betting that flop with so many draws out there to be had, but i would bet a little more, maybe .45. I wouldnt bet the turn then however, because there is a significant chance we could already be behind but also because a bet will probably only be called by a hand that beats this.

I check/call here to allow draws and a jack an opportunity to bet at it. Also that river bet i call, it scream busted draw
 
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Your absolutely right, about me calling rather than raising if I thought I was ahead. My reason for calling was two-fold: (1) I did think he was bluffing and that my Ace-high might have been good, but I wasn't sure and, ill-regardless of whether I was good or not, (2) I wanted to see his cards and was willing to pay for it. Remember in my preface I mentioned that in the 1-1/2 orbits leading up to this series I hadn't seen him to showdown, but he was involved in most of those hands. I just needed to see if he was on a nice run of cards or very loose with his starting hand selection. Nice pickup!

As a general rule, the ace high call down on the flop is done when in position, and it is done for only one street. If he bets the turn as well, you give up and fold, because he's rarely firing two bullets. The intent is to see if he bets the turn. If he checks, he was probably bluffing the flop and didn't hit the turn, so you bet the turn and take it down. Otherwise, you just fold.

As played, it violates those two criteria, so I wouldn't do it. I much prefer a check raise.
 
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As a general rule...

I'm not sure exactly what general rule your alluding to, but this is not a standard practice of mine. I was calling him down because (as I previously stated) I wanted to see the quality of his hole cards since he had involved himself in virtually every hand, since I sat down.

In any event, it does appear he was on some kind of tilt when you see his hole cards.

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NuRelic [:10s4::10c4:]
PiS.DemiGoD: folds
NuRelic: raises $0.15 to $0.20
labaraka156: folds
Qinky: folds
Kobe2777: raises $0.40 to $0.60
ISSAC-YOON: folds
Taff76: folds
JKilla22: folds
Dara2k: folds
NuRelic: calls $0.40
*** FLOP *** [:jc4::10d4::as4: ]
NuRelic: bets $0.20
Kobe2777: raises $2.34 to $2.54 and is all-in
NuRelic: calls $2.34

*** TURN *** [
:jc4::10d4::as4: ] [:4h4:]
*** RIVER *** [
:jc4::10d4::as4: :4h4:] [:qh4:]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
NuRelic: shows
[:10s4::10c4:] (three of a kind, Tens)
Kobe2777: mucks hand
NuRelic collected $6.05 from pot

Kobe2777 leaves the table
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.35 | Rake $0.30
Board [Jc Td As 4h Qh]
Seat 1: ISSAC-YOON folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Taff76 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: JKilla22 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Dara2k (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: PiS.DemiGoD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: NuRelic showed [:10s4::10c4:]
and won ($6.05) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 7: labaraka156 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Qinky folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Kobe2777 mucked [:5h4::5c4:]
 
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I was talking about the strategy of calling down when you think your opponent is bluffing, but you're not confident enough to raise him.

Anyhow, if you didn't hit your ace, were you going to pay another bet on the river for information?

I would argue that the fact that he has won many hands without a showdown is a good reason NOT to call the flop and turn for information. He has shown himself to be aggressive, so you can be pretty confident that he's going to keep betting and charging you for that information. And the fact that you're out of position and checking every street is even more incentive for him to bet and charge you every step of the way.
 
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