Is there anything wrong with this or is this just a standard cooler?

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pokerstars GAME #17557417370: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/05/20 - 00:47:28 (ET)
Table 'Antigone II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: D'wilius ($2.59 in chips)
Seat 2: rrope ($5.30 in chips)
Seat 3: TRM_SHRiMP ($5.88 in chips)
Seat 4: jaxter1970 ($3.86 in chips)
Seat 5: WVUHillbilly ($2.96 in chips)
Seat 6: zachvac ($6.72 in chips)
TRM_SHRiMP: posts small blind $0.01
zachvac said, "knew I'd flop 2 pair"
jaxter1970: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zachvac [4c 2s]
WVUHillbilly: raises $0.06 to $0.08
zachvac: raises $0.16 to $0.24
D'wilius: folds
rrope: calls $0.24
TRM_SHRiMP: calls $0.23
jaxter1970: folds
WVUHillbilly: calls $0.16
*** FLOP *** [As 7s 6c]
TRM_SHRiMP: checks
WVUHillbilly: checks
zachvac: bets $0.80
rrope: folds
TRM_SHRiMP: raises $1 to $1.80
WVUHillbilly: folds
WVUHillbilly is sitting out
zachvac: raises $1.45 to $3.25
TRM_SHRiMP: raises $1.45 to $4.70
zachvac: raises $1.45 to $6.15
TRM_SHRiMP: calls $0.94 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.51) returned to zachvac
*** TURN *** [As 7s 6c] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [As 7s 6c Ts] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TRM_SHRiMP: shows [6d 7d] (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
zachvac: mucks hand
TRM_SHRiMP collected $11.66 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12.26 | Rake $0.60
Board [As 7s 6c Ts 2h]
Seat 1: D'wilius folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: rrope (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: TRM_SHRiMP (small blind) showed [6d 7d] and won ($11.66) with two pair, Sevens and Sixes
Seat 4: jaxter1970 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: WVUHillbilly folded on the Flop
Seat 6: zachvac mucked [4c 2s]

had TWO runner runner draws on that flop, turned a spade but couldn't river one. Is this just a cooler or did I make a mistake somewhere in this hand?
 
WVHillbilly

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Cooler IMO.

Glad I was there to witness it. You had to call. Pot odds. :)
 
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Cooler IMO.

Glad I was there to witness it. You had to call. Pot odds. :)

well yeah, but did I play it well preflop? You think I should have just shoved pre to get value when I knew I had the best hand instead of making a standard 3-bet? Any idiots who actually think I should have folded this preflop?
 
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Philthy coldcalled that reraise? He had you pegged on unders the whole way.
 
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Dont get this wrong Zach cause if seen your graph and even read your blog a couple of times and know your a good ring player but this hand is terrible.
What´s the deal? Am i missing something?
 
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zachvac: raises $1.45 to $3.25
TRM_SHRiMP: raises $1.45 to $4.70
...Mistake here. I couldnt get my touch pad to cooperate and bet max. Timer was activated and only had a second to decided or I wouldve folded. Was looking to shove here.
Fun hand, but very disappointed with what you had. Especially the way the hand played out and our previous encounters, I actually thought might've had at least a decent draw of sorts or a piece of that flop.

Even though I won the hand, I was heart broken. I thought today was the day I outplay the great ZachVac, but it wasnt...
oh and villain is 40/15/2.5 btw over 80 hands.
I never know what these mean....
 
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Dont get this wrong Zach cause if seen your graph and even read your blog a couple of times and know your a good ring player but this hand is terrible.
What´s the deal? Am i missing something?
Failed bluff. He knew I had been giving him way too much credit for hands.
 
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Dont get this wrong Zach cause if seen your graph and even read your blog a couple of times and know your a good ring player but this hand is terrible.
What´s the deal? Am i missing something?

Let's see. Zach knew this was UTG's last hand and that he was probably raising with some crap like JQ Sooooooted, so his original 3 bet was a pure soul read. What he failed to account for was the presents of more than 1 donk at the table and the fact the Philthy had just passed soul reading 101 a few moments earlier and had also put on his soul cloak 2 hands before this one.

All completely standard at these high limits!
 
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standard, hand basically played itself, ul
 
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Re-raised twice with 2/4os...uhh

Stealing pots are fun but come on, 2/4os? Why get yourself in trouble with this hand and keep re-raising? I don't get it at all, this is standard play at higher limits? After he raised from $1.40 to $4.70 there was no way he was going to fold, you must of wanted a showdown with your 2/4os. Hell, even if he was weak, what were you expecting? 2/3os?
 
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unlucky imo.

you have two backdoor draws and he only has one made hand, thus making you a 2-1 favourite to win. not your fault that villain is a suckout monkey imo.
 
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Obviously this is meta play. zach is trying to establish a maniac image that he will capitalize on once he goes back to his usual stakes.
 
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I have tryed that same thing before and all it left me with is an image of me having a few less dollars.
 
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Philthy coldcalled that reraise? He had you pegged on unders the whole way.

Well in all seriousness it wasn't a horrible call considering that we were deep (didn't realize before that the max buy-in was actually 250 BBs, and both of us have more than that). If he hits a hand like he does he's hoping to get a stack out of it, and with all the callers...

Dont get this wrong Zach cause if seen your graph and even read your blog a couple of times and know your a good ring player but this hand is terrible.
What´s the deal? Am i missing something?

No you're not missing anything, it's a horrible play that I would never had made without being at a table with CC players at those lower limits and the history of 24o. I'll go into that in a second.

Fun hand, but very disappointed with what you had. Especially the way the hand played out and our previous encounters, I actually thought might've had at least a decent draw of sorts or a piece of that flop.

Even though I won the hand, I was heart broken. I thought today was the day I outplay the great ZachVac

Well first of all we had just been talking about 24o and how I'd gotten it 3 times, once I got a walk and the other 2 I open folded it to the BB's AK. So we're literally talking about this as the cards come out and I see ... 24o. So I decide to try to steal it. 3-bet is called by 3 others. Now usually in multi-way pots (especially 3-bet preflop) people are more willing to fold their marginal hands (for good reason) so I fired out a cbet. Then Philthy comes over the top with just a little bit more than a min-raise. I'm thinking that screams "I have AK-AJ" and come over the top to represent a bigger hand than just TPTK, although thinking about the preflop action, the only hand that would make sense in that scenario would be AA. Not sure if I could have gotten you off AK or not with that raise, but I wasn't getting you off 2 pair.

Then came the really horrible part, after you re-raised if you remember I said something to the effect of "well I have 2 runner runner draws, do I have odds to call here?" as a joke before I was going to fold. But I was tired, it was the last hand, and Philthy said something to the effect of "call, I won't complain if you hit". So I was like "what the hell, it's only a little over another buck". I apologize if this thinking is offensive to people who do regularly play at these limits, but as most of you know I'm used to a little bit higher limits and although I was able to play well (although extremely lag) earlier, I had a hard time taking that extra 2 bucks seriously when I was playing 24o in the first place.

Re-raised twice with 2/4os...uhh

Stealing pots are fun but come on, 2/4os? Why get yourself in trouble with this hand and keep re-raising? I don't get it at all, this is standard play at higher limits? After he raised from $1.40 to $4.70 there was no way he was going to fold, you must of wanted a showdown with your 2/4os. Hell, even if he was weak, what were you expecting? 2/3os?


Well it was the last hand, and I had just finished talking about 24o. This is NOT standard play at any limits from a good player (plenty of donks who make plays not much better than this one, which is why online poker is still profitable).
 
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unlucky imo.

you have two backdoor draws and he only has one made hand, thus making you a 2-1 favourite to win. not your fault that villain is a suckout monkey imo.

:D

The funniest thing to me is what had to be going through jaxter and rrope's heads when they see this play. Both were just randomly at the table so, like a few reading this thread, they had to think we were a bunch of total donks.
 
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You had to chase that runner-runner draw to the worst possible flush. There's just no way around it.

The Internet is a rigged super-user! My girlfriend (who goes to another school, so you don't know her) told me so!
 
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Standard cooler. Donkey calls your 3bet with a 6 7, then hits a weak hand on the flop but still wins. You got your money in with the best of it can't do much better than that. I might have min raised preflop though to try to trap more players into calling, then you can bust them on the flop.
 
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Oh man... I just looked up my 4/2o stats and I'm bleeding money with that hand. They almost all appear to be folded blinds. Weird.

I need to plug that leak.
 
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dude, fold pf.

edit: sorry, thought you had 76o soooted, standard cooler.
 
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No you're not missing anything, it's a horrible play that I would never had made without being at a table with CC players at those lower limits and the history of 24o. I'll go into that in a second.
I just read the HH again and ofcourse you have to make that move against Philthy(maniac?).....:rolleyes:
 
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what was that flop betting about? open shove that flop imo
 
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what was that flop betting about? open shove that flop imo

No way! He'd have chased everyone off and won a small pot.
You have to milk a beauty like that.
 
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Yep standard cooler...absolutely nothing you can do when you flop a mega draw like that yet still somehow manage to miss.
 
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No way! He'd have chased everyone off and won a small pot.
You have to milk a beauty like that.

nooooooooo because all in bet looks like a bluff so will be called by 3 high etc etc
 
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