Is this standard?

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The below hand in question seems really odd. The player with 97 had been playing for quite a while at the table mainly folding preflop and then out of nowhere pushes with 97 only then proceeding to make the nuts. I understand bad beats happen, the other player in the hand has AA fine so be it no problem, but when a player does this then making an unbeatable hand seems extremely fishy. Any thoughts? If this is commonplace i really need to rethink online. Thanks


Hand #509856247 - Holdem(No Limit) - $0.10/$0.25 - 2020/09/10 20:18:00 UTC

Lake Helen 6-max Seat #1 is the button

Seat 1: ach0z3n ($27.15)

Seat 2: Perfectx ($25.10)

Seat 4: rocknrollbaby ($26.56)

Seat 5: Birdman1984 ($25.53)

Seat 6: madduxfan ($25.00)

Perfectx posts the small blind $0.10

rocknrollbaby posts the big blind $0.25

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to Birdman1984 [Kd Kc]

Birdman1984 raises $0.55 to $0.55

madduxfan raises $25.00 to $25.00 and is all-in

ach0z3n folds

Perfectx raises $25.00 to $25.10 and is all-in

rocknrollbaby folds

Birdman1984 calls $24.55

*** FLOP *** [3d 6s 8s]

Main pot $72.25 | Rake $3.00

Side pot(1) $0.20 | Rake $0.00

*** TURN *** [3d 6s 8s] [2c]

Main pot $72.25 | Rake $3.00

Side pot(1) $0.20 | Rake $0.00

*** RIVER *** [3d 6s 8s 2c] [Tc]

Main pot $72.25 | Rake $3.00

Side pot(1) $0.20 | Rake $0.00

*** SHOW DOWN ***

Main pot $72.25 | Rake $3.00

Side pot(1) $0.20 | Rake $0.00

Perfectx shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces [As Ad Tc 8s 6s])

Birdman1984 shows [Kd Kc] (a pair of Kings [Kd Kc Tc 8s 6s])

madduxfan shows [9s 7s] (a straight, Ten high [Tc 9s 8s 7s 6s])

madduxfan collected $72.25 from main pot

Perfectx collected $0.20 from side pot-1

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $72.45 | Rake $2.76 | JP Fee $0.24

Board [3d 6s 8s 2c Tc]

Seat 1: ach0z3n (button) folded on the Pre-Flop

Seat 2: Perfectx (small blind) showed [Ad As] and won $0.20 with a pair of Aces [As Ad Tc 8s 6s]

Seat 4: rocknrollbaby (big blind) folded on the Pre-Flop

Seat 5: Birdman1984 showed [Kd Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings [Kd Kc Tc 8s 6s]

Seat 6: madduxfan showed [9s 7s] and won $72.25 with a straight, Ten high [Tc 9s 8s 7s 6s]
 
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Very strange especially if he was there for awhile. But he did raise with the garbage not call. Loose players are like manna from heaven. In the end funds end up with best starting hands more or less.
 
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Are you implying the site is cheating in some way?
 
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I just watched on YouTube how Grospellier raises to $ 13,000 with 7/5 offsuit.:confused: I don't know if you can call him a loose player, but today he is number one in the world rankings.:):D
 
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Are you implying the site is cheating in some way?


I mean if he was doing it every hand or on a regular basis ok, but this random over shove and hits the stone cold nuts? I just found it very odd. When money is involved there is always people looking for an edge.
 
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Hello
I have my take on this.
I dont know if many play that way its called Instinct.
every once in a way there comes a hand where your instinct tells you to call.
not a sure shot winner, many a times those hands lose too.
but thats what it is.
:evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:
 
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Hello
I have my take on this.
I dont know if many play that way its called Instinct.
every once in a way there comes a hand where your instinct tells you to call.
not a sure shot winner, many a times those hands lose too.
but thats what it is.
:evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:



I wish I had the "instincts" to over shove 9 high pre and end up making the nuts. Im not that good yet apparently
 
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It depends on what you call standard. This is one instance. Does it make much difference whether the 97ss makes a straight or a flush or two pair or trips to win? It's rare that ANY hand will make the nuts but the fact that a hand with 20% equity (more equity than your KK) made a spaz play and won isn't super surprising. That's 1 in 5 times. Fairly often. Now if you saw this happen 3 times in a row I'd be suspicious:

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
1,370,754 trials (Exhaustive)
KdKc 17.02% (231,865 wins, 4,330 ties)
AdAs 63.33% (866,635 wins, 4,330 ties)
9s7s 19.65% (267,924 wins, 4,330 ties)
 
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maybe just decided to make a move and got lucky, you have to have some bluffs in your range with such hands
 
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It depends on what you call standard. This is one instance. Does it make much difference whether the 97ss makes a straight or a flush or two pair or trips to win? It's rare that ANY hand will make the nuts but the fact that a hand with 20% equity (more equity than your KK) made a spaz play and won isn't super surprising. That's 1 in 5 times. Fairly often. Now if you saw this happen 3 times in a row I'd be suspicious:

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
1,370,754 trials (Exhaustive)
KdKc 17.02% (231,865 wins, 4,330 ties)
AdAs 63.33% (866,635 wins, 4,330 ties)
9s7s 19.65% (267,924 wins, 4,330 ties)

Exactly. Its more likely for 9s7s to win that 3-way all in, that it is for someone to hit a 3 on a dice. So it proves literally nothing. And as for why he made this wild move, who knows? Maybe he was feeling bored, or maybe it was a misclick. Maybe he was also playing some tournaments and thought, this was a 22BB tournament hand. Then a hand like 9s7s is a decent one to rejam as a bluff, because it always has at least some equity when called.

The real and much more interesting question is, if we can actually get away from KK preflop? And I think, its at least close. If someone has been playing for a while and then suddenly out of nowhere jams it in for 100BB over a small open raise, then I am probably never folding KK. It can be aces from time to time, but it can also be some random spazz, as in fact it was.

However when someone behind then call, without being yet involved in the action, you kind of have to wonder, what hands he would do that with? Is he really sticking it in with JJ-QQ or AK? Maybe, but more likely not. Which then leave AA and the last remaining combo of KK. So I actually think, this is one of the rare spots, where I would seriously consider folding KK. If nothing else we get to see their hands, and then we have a more clear idea, whats going on, if something similar happens again.

As played OP should just forget this and move on. If 9s7s had not made this crazy move, all the money would have gone in against AA anyway, and OP would still have lost a stack. So why does it even matter, that he lost to the guy with 9s7s rather than the guy with AA? To be successfull in poker you need to get past the idea, that someone making a bad play is never supposed to win. 20% is still 20%, weather the person played his hand well or not :)
 
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No Bologna

Looks fishy as hell. Problem is, it happens all the time. Maybe in this game the reason was that the $ wasn't so high. Who knows?
 
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Amature style lol, but there's some instinctively hand right there, some luck mixed with fish style :D
 
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