Session Anyalsis- nl25 Tyran.

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Comment welcome folks, Im by no mean an authority, and I'm an advocate of a very straightforward style of play on nl$25. So if anyone wants to chime in please feel free.

hands 1-5

pokerstars Game #15065549189: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:34:08 (ET)
Table 'Chantal IV' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Jesje ($19.40 in chips)
Seat 2: foxfox ($8 in chips)
Seat 4: Nagano6 ($31.55 in chips)
Seat 5: lrmman ($25.55 in chips)
Seat 6: TheYavi ($2.35 in chips)
Seat 8: Bailz09 ($2.25 in chips)
Seat 9: Tygran37 ($25 in chips)
Bailz09: posts small blind $0.10
Tygran37: posts big blind $0.25
ajfonso: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Ah Js]
Jesje: folds
foxfox: folds
Nagano6: folds
lrmman: calls $0.25
TheYavi: calls $0.25
Bailz09: folds
Tygran37: checks
*** FLOP *** [4c Qs 6d]
Bailz09 leaves the table
Tygran37: checks
lrmman: checks
TheYavi: checks
*** TURN *** [4c Qs 6d] [5c]
Tygran37: checks
lrmman: checks
TheYavi: bets $1.25
Tygran37: folds
lrmman: folds
TheYavi collected $0.85 from pot

Hmmmm, a little too tight here I think. We take down this pot with a raise preflop lots, we have a decent ace for back-up here if we are called, and can get lots of hands we dominate to call. The limp here isnt terrible, and shutting down once we miss a flop is fine, the issue here is flopping top pair against unknowns we have no idea of hand ranges.

PokerStars Game #15065577352: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:35:30 (ET)
Table 'Alnair IV' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: 1ofaKind420 ($23.65 in chips)
Seat 2: Bee-Bob36 ($17.05 in chips)
Seat 3: tommykruczek ($17.75 in chips)
Seat 4: JHCHIPS ($19 in chips)
Seat 5: cyberdan ($29.05 in chips)
Seat 6: hongzhong ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 7: Tygran37 ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 8: MrRvW ($42 in chips)
Seat 9: pixeljuggler ($9.25 in chips)
Tygran37: posts small blind $0.10
MrRvW: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Ah 4d]
pixeljuggler: folds
1ofaKind420: folds
Bee-Bob36: calls $0.25
tommykruczek: calls $0.25
JHCHIPS: calls $0.25
cyberdan: folds
hongzhong: folds
Tygran37: calls $0.15
MrRvW: checks
*** FLOP *** [As 9d Qs]
Tygran37: checks
MrRvW: checks
Bee-Bob36: bets $2.75
tommykruczek: folds
JHCHIPS: calls $2.75
Tygran37: folds
MrRvW: folds
*** TURN *** [As 9d Qs] [7c]
Bee-Bob36: bets $14.05 and is all-in
JHCHIPS: folds
Bee-Bob36 collected $6.45 from pot
Bee-Bob36: doesn't show hand

Interesting one, we call from the small blind and pick up top pair, Id usually lead out here for a small feeler bet, and for a bit of value. Ive seen mistakes here like this before, flop being checked around and letting lesser hands catch up. Bet/Fold is better than check/fold IMO.


PokerStars Game #15065599784: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:36:35 (ET)
Table 'Chiny V' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: dudebroguy ($26.85 in chips)
Seat 2: 1ofaKind420 ($29.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Mambo009 ($13.30 in chips)
Seat 5: steve516 ($15.30 in chips)
Seat 7: Tygran37 ($25 in chips)
Seat 8: imonk22 ($18.65 in chips)
Seat 9: cruzito83 ($17.25 in chips)
steve516: posts small blind $0.10
Tygran37: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [3c 5h]
imonk22: folds
cruzito83: folds
dudebroguy: folds
1ofaKind420: folds
Mambo009: raises $0.25 to $0.50
steve516: folds
Tygran37: folds
Mambo009 collected $0.60 from pot
Mambo009: shows [Kh Kc] (a pair of Kings)

I really hope you noted this, a bad player min-raises and shows his big pair. We need to bear this in-mind and nut-mine against him the next time he min-raises.

PokerStars Game #15065676406: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:40:18 (ET)
Table 'Rimito III' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: 1ofaKind420 ($28.30 in chips)
Seat 2: oOSHAMOo ($21.80 in chips)
Seat 3: HELLHANDS ($27.35 in chips)
Seat 4: Druksta ($20.30 in chips)
Seat 5: Tygran37 ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 6: dennisa ($33.65 in chips)
Seat 7: Vandalar ($25.35 in chips)
Seat 8: PiS.AA ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 9: Sebarubi ($16.35 in chips)
PiS.AA: posts small blind $0.10
Sebarubi: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Kh Kc]
1ofaKind420: raises $0.75 to $1
oOSHAMOo: calls $1
HELLHANDS: folds
Druksta: folds
Tygran37: raises $3.50 to $4.50
dennisa: folds
Vandalar: folds
PiS.AA: folds
Sebarubi: folds
1ofaKind420: folds
oOSHAMOo: folds
Tygran37 collected $3.35 from pot

Nice hand after a period of card-deadness. The 3 bet is essential here, a small big on the high size though. I raise to $3.50-$4.00 here, we dont want to scare them off to easily. If you feel that they will call a bigger bet though its fine.

PokerStars Game #15065696139: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:41:14 (ET)
Table 'Chantal IV' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Jesje ($14.20 in chips)
Seat 2: foxfox ($9.25 in chips)
Seat 3: ajfonso ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 4: Nagano6 ($31.20 in chips)
Seat 5: lrmman ($33.20 in chips)
Seat 7: niceehand ($6 in chips)
Seat 8: dancraw ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 9: Tygran37 ($24.75 in chips)
lrmman: posts small blind $0.10
niceehand: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Qc Qs]
dancraw: folds
TheYavi leaves the table
Tygran37: raises $0.75 to $1
Jesje: raises $2 to $3
ericoptero joins the table at seat #6
foxfox: folds
ajfonso: folds
Nagano6: folds
lrmman: folds
niceehand: folds
Tygran37: folds
Jesje collected $2.35 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.35 | Rake $0

What ??? This is WAYYYYY to tight, put the short-stack in here, or at least see a flop. A 3 bet isnt always AA or KK you know, AK is much more likely, and we can get the shortie off that on a rag low flop. JJ/1010 even 99 does this sometimes, and a bad player can do this lots with worse, even AQ/KQ/AJ occasionally. Im never folding in this pot, 4 bet it or call and at least play a flop.
 
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Comment welcome folks, Im by no mean an authority, and I'm an advocate of a very straightforward style of play on nl$25. So if anyone wants to chime in please feel free.

Hands 1-5

PokerStars Game #15065549189: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:34:08 (ET)
Table 'Chantal IV' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Jesje ($19.40 in chips)
Seat 2: foxfox ($8 in chips)
Seat 4: Nagano6 ($31.55 in chips)
Seat 5: lrmman ($25.55 in chips)
Seat 6: TheYavi ($2.35 in chips)
Seat 8: Bailz09 ($2.25 in chips)
Seat 9: Tygran37 ($25 in chips)
Bailz09: posts small blind $0.10
Tygran37: posts big blind $0.25
ajfonso: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Ah Js]
Jesje: folds
foxfox: folds
Nagano6: folds
lrmman: calls $0.25
TheYavi: calls $0.25
Bailz09: folds
Tygran37: checks
*** FLOP *** [4c Qs 6d]
Bailz09 leaves the table
Tygran37: checks
lrmman: checks
TheYavi: checks
*** TURN *** [4c Qs 6d] 5♣
Tygran37: checks
lrmman: checks
TheYavi: bets $1.25
Tygran37: folds
lrmman: folds
TheYavi collected $0.85 from pot

Hmmmm, a little too tight here I think. We take down this pot with a raise preflop lots, we have a decent ace for back-up here if we are called, and can get lots of hands we dominate to call. The limp here isnt terrible, and shutting down once we miss a flop is fine, the issue here is flopping top pair against unknowns we have no idea of hand ranges.
I'd like to see a preflop raise here from AJ. Especially against limpers, you're almost definitely ahead (barring a PP trying to set, but even then the raise lessens the implied odds of a set).

tenbob said:
PokerStars Game #15065577352: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:35:30 (ET)
Table 'Alnair IV' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: 1ofaKind420 ($23.65 in chips)
Seat 2: Bee-Bob36 ($17.05 in chips)
Seat 3: tommykruczek ($17.75 in chips)
Seat 4: JHCHIPS ($19 in chips)
Seat 5: cyberdan ($29.05 in chips)
Seat 6: hongzhong ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 7: Tygran37 ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 8: MrRvW ($42 in chips)
Seat 9: pixeljuggler ($9.25 in chips)
Tygran37: posts small blind $0.10
MrRvW: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Ah 4d]
pixeljuggler: folds
1ofaKind420: folds
Bee-Bob36: calls $0.25
tommykruczek: calls $0.25
JHCHIPS: calls $0.25
cyberdan: folds
hongzhong: folds
Tygran37: calls $0.15
MrRvW: checks
*** FLOP *** [As 9d Qs]
Tygran37: checks
MrRvW: checks
Bee-Bob36: bets $2.75
tommykruczek: folds
JHCHIPS: calls $2.75
Tygran37: folds
MrRvW: folds
*** TURN *** [As 9d Qs] 7♣
Bee-Bob36: bets $14.05 and is all-in
JHCHIPS: folds
Bee-Bob36 collected $6.45 from pot
Bee-Bob36: doesn't show hand

Interesting one, we call from the small blind and pick up top pair, Id usually lead out here for a small feeler bet, and for a bit of value. Ive seen mistakes here like this before, flop being checked around and letting lesser hands catch up. Bet/Fold is better than check/fold IMO.
I think this is a preflop fold. OOP with A-rag, recipe for disaster when we flop top pair like this, but if you're going to call preflop you can't check-fold this flop. Are you really playing this for 2-pair or trips value?

tenbob said:
PokerStars Game #15065696139: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:41:14 (ET)
Table 'Chantal IV' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Jesje ($14.20 in chips)
Seat 2: foxfox ($9.25 in chips)
Seat 3: ajfonso ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 4: Nagano6 ($31.20 in chips)
Seat 5: lrmman ($33.20 in chips)
Seat 7: niceehand ($6 in chips)
Seat 8: dancraw ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 9: Tygran37 ($24.75 in chips)
lrmman: posts small blind $0.10
niceehand: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Qc Qs]
dancraw: folds
TheYavi leaves the table
Tygran37: raises $0.75 to $1
Jesje: raises $2 to $3
ericoptero joins the table at seat #6
foxfox: folds
ajfonso: folds
Nagano6: folds
lrmman: folds
niceehand: folds
Tygran37: folds
Jesje collected $2.35 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.35 | Rake $0

What ??? This is WAYYYYY to tight, put the short-stack in here, or at least see a flop. A 3 bet isnt always AA or KK you know, AK is much more likely, and we can get the shortie off that on a rag low flop. JJ/1010 even 99 does this sometimes, and a bad player can do this lots with worse, even AQ/KQ/AJ occasionally. Im never folding in this pot, 4 bet it or call and at least play a flop.


What he said. I don't care what kind of opponent this is, we have to raise this or call this. I'm in favor of the raise. If we raise and he then comes over the top of us, we can then fold. If he flat calls we can assume we're ahead barring an A or K, and if he folds we've picked up the pot. A call isn't horrible here but it's prone to us still not knowing if we're beat preflop and if we call this we're going to have a hard time getting away from this postflop unless an A or K comes. Obviously once in a while AA or KK will flat call us and then get our money in postflop, but most of the time a flat call is either AK or JJ-.

I ommitted 2 of the hands, one of which you folded rags and the other just picked up a pot with KK. I agree with both of tenbob's comments on those and had nothing more to add.
 
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Hands 5-10

PokerStars Game #15065736558: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:43:03 (ET)
Table 'Chantal IV' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Jesje ($15.90 in chips)
Seat 2: foxfox ($9.25 in chips)
Seat 3: ajfonso ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 4: Nagano6 ($31.20 in chips)
Seat 5: lrmman ($33.10 in chips)
Seat 6: ericoptero ($15 in chips)
Seat 7: niceehand ($7.65 in chips)
Seat 8: dancraw ($24.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Tygran37 ($25 in chips)
dancraw: posts small blind $0.10
Tygran37: posts big blind $0.25
ericoptero: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Qd Jd]
Jesje: folds
foxfox: folds
ajfonso: folds
Nagano6: folds
lrmman: calls $0.25
ericoptero: checks
niceehand: calls $0.25
dancraw: calls $0.15
Tygran37: checks
*** FLOP *** [6c 6h Jc]
dancraw: checks
Tygran37: checks
lrmman: checks
ericoptero: checks
niceehand: checks
*** TURN *** [6c 6h Jc] [As]
dancraw: checks
Tygran37: checks
lrmman: checks
ericoptero: checks
niceehand: checks
*** RIVER *** [6c 6h Jc As] [6d]
dancraw: checks
Tygran37: checks
lrmman: checks
ericoptero: checks
niceehand: bets $0.75
dancraw: folds
Tygran37: calls $0.75
lrmman: folds
ericoptero: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
niceehand: shows [Qs 7s] (three of a kind, Sixes)
Tygran37: shows [Qd Jd] (a full house, Sixes full of Jacks)
Tygran37 collected $2.65 from pot

Preflop limp this time is fine from the big blind, we can raise occasionally but limping is usually better. Lead out this on the flop, betting the flop is better than calling the river. A6 is improbable, J10 is in limping ranges, we need to lead out for value and to protect our hand. Way to weak-tight.

PokerStars Game #15065770806: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:44:36 (ET)
Table 'Ara V' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: maddskillz20 ($53.40 in chips)
Seat 2: MrRvW ($24.15 in chips)
Seat 3: comepapas ($80.55 in chips)
Seat 4: whitefox2007 ($18.40 in chips)
Seat 5: rey_dereyes1 ($22.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Generouss ($9.30 in chips)
Seat 7: dennisa ($35.70 in chips)
Seat 8: Tygran37 ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 9: SupaFupa ($5.45 in chips)
whitefox2007: posts small blind $0.10
rey_dereyes1: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Ad Kd]
Generouss: folds
dennisa: folds
Tygran37: raises $0.50 to $0.75
SupaFupa: folds
maddskillz20: folds
MrRvW: folds
comepapas: calls $0.75
whitefox2007: folds
rey_dereyes1: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [4h 8s 3c]
rey_dereyes1: checks
Tygran37: bets $1.50
comepapas: calls $1.50
rey_dereyes1: folds
*** TURN *** [4h 8s 3c] [6c]
Tygran37: checks
comepapas: checks
*** RIVER *** [4h 8s 3c 6c] [Ah]
Tygran37: checks
comepapas: bets $5
Tygran37: calls $5
*** SHOW DOWN ***
comepapas: shows [Js Ks] (high card Ace)
Tygran37: shows [Ad Kd] (a pair of Aces)
Tygran37 collected $14.60 from pot

Cant really argue with much here, the pre-flop raise is hugggeee though, and telegraphs the strenght of you hand. Apart from that standard.

PokerStars Game #15065783439: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:45:10 (ET)
Table 'Isergina II' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: dobieatwar ($12.65 in chips)
Seat 3: 1ofaKind420 ($25.35 in chips)
Seat 4: bet2bettin ($42.60 in chips)
Seat 5: Kundera666 ($60.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Tygran37 ($25 in chips)
Seat 7: Argus27 ($32.40 in chips)
Seat 8: jillpf ($2.95 in chips)
Seat 9: Sunstone2402 ($4.05 in chips)
jillpf: posts small blind $0.10
Sunstone2402: posts big blind $0.25
Tygran37: posts small & big blinds $0.35
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Ac Qs]
dobieatwar: folds
1ofaKind420: calls $0.25
bet2bettin: folds
Kundera666: folds
Tygran37: checks
Argus27: folds
jillpf: calls $0.15
Sunstone2402: raises $1.25 to $1.50
1ofaKind420: folds
Tygran37: folds
jillpf: calls $1.25
*** FLOP *** [4h 8h 2h]
jillpf: bets $0.25
Sunstone2402: raises $2.30 to $2.55 and is all-in
jillpf: calls $1.20 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [4h 8h 2h] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [4h 8h 2h 3d] [6d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jillpf: shows [Ah Qh] (a flush, Ace high)
Sunstone2402: mucks hand
jillpf collected $6.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.50 | Rake $0.30
Board [4h 8h 2h 3d 6d]
Seat 1: dobieatwar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: 1ofaKind420 folded before Flop
Seat 4: bet2bettin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Kundera666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Tygran37 folded before Flop
Seat 7: Argus27 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: jillpf (small blind) showed [Ah Qh] and won ($6.20) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 9: Sunstone2402 (big blind) mucked [Ks Qc]

Why are you posting out of turn ? It affects you win rate and you should really get into the habit of waiting. Look at the pre-flop raisers stack size, you should be 3-betting here to isolate and for hand protection, certainly not folding. Again a little weak-tight.

PokerStars Game #15065790495: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:45:29 (ET)
Table 'Esclangona' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: MrRvW ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 2: Tygran37 ($25 in chips)
Seat 4: KillerV3 ($29.65 in chips)
Seat 6: iamorgo ($24.50 in chips)
Seat 8: cañon ($26.50 in chips)
Seat 9: stanis1 ($24.40 in chips)
J.Don.fvl will be allowed to play after the button
iamorgo: posts small blind $0.10
J.Don.fvl joins the table at seat #5
cañon: posts big blind $0.25
Tygran37: posts big blind $0.25
Macky2: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [8h 8d]
stanis1: folds
MrRvW: raises $0.75 to $1
balls12182 joins the table at seat #7
Tygran37: calls $0.75
KillerV3: folds
iamorgo: folds
cañon: folds
*** FLOP *** [5c 8c 2h]
MrRvW: checks
Tygran37: checks
*** TURN *** [5c 8c 2h] [Qc]
MrRvW: bets $1.40
Tygran37: calls $1.40
*** RIVER *** [5c 8c 2h Qc] [Ks]
MrRvW: checks
Tygran37: bets $2
MrRvW: calls $2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Tygran37: shows [8h 8d] (three of a kind, Eights)
MrRvW: mucks hand
Tygran37 collected $8.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $9.15 | Rake $0.40
Board [5c 8c 2h Qc Ks]
Seat 1: MrRvW mucked [Ah Qd]
Seat 2: Tygran37 showed [8h 8d] and won ($8.75) with three of a kind, Eights

Yea, pretty standard. I usually raise that turn though, just in case hes holding a big club and he gets there cheaply.

PokerStars Game #15065831865: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:47:22 (ET)
Table 'Isergina II' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: dobieatwar ($12.75 in chips)
Seat 3: 1ofaKind420 ($25.10 in chips)
Seat 4: bet2bettin ($42.60 in chips)
Seat 5: Kundera666 ($60.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Tygran37 ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 7: Argus27 ($32.40 in chips)
Seat 8: jillpf ($6.20 in chips)
Seat 9: Sunstone2402 ($5 in chips)
dobieatwar: posts small blind $0.10
1ofaKind420: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Qd Kd]
finalhonor has returned
bet2bettin: calls $0.25
Kundera666: folds
Tygran37: folds
Argus27: folds
jillpf: calls $0.25
Sunstone2402: folds
dobieatwar: folds
1ofaKind420: checks

Hmmmm, I dont overly mind this but I certainly dont like it. This should be a standard raise, we can limp for big hand value as well, folding is very very tight here.
 
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I think we have to assume that QQ hand has some reads involved...otherwise that's uncharacteristically tight of Tygran.

I think we can find spots to fold that (ie vs a nit), but they are few and far between.
 
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PokerStars Game #15065869089: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:49:04 (ET)
Table 'Alnair IV' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: 1ofaKind420 ($26.35 in chips)
Seat 2: Bee-Bob36 ($17.20 in chips)
Seat 3: tommykruczek ($11.50 in chips)
Seat 4: JHCHIPS ($19.95 in chips)
Seat 5: cyberdan ($29.45 in chips)
Seat 6: hongzhong ($4.30 in chips)
Seat 7: Tygran37 ($24.15 in chips)
Seat 8: MrRvW ($40.60 in chips)
Seat 9: pixeljuggler ($11.40 in chips)
MrRvW: posts small blind $0.10
pixeljuggler: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Ac Qc]
1ofaKind420: folds
Bee-Bob36: calls $0.25
tommykruczek: folds
JHCHIPS: folds
cyberdan: calls $0.25
hongzhong: folds
Tygran37: calls $0.25
MrRvW: folds
pixeljuggler: checks
*** FLOP *** [3h 4c Jd]
pixeljuggler: checks
Bee-Bob36: checks
cyberdan: checks
Tygran37: checks
*** TURN *** [3h 4c Jd] [Js]
pixeljuggler: checks
Bee-Bob36: bets $1.50
cyberdan: folds
Tygran37: folds
pixeljuggler: folds
Bee-Bob36 collected $1.05 from pot
Bee-Bob36: doesn't show hand

Whoah. What do we want, A big suited ace ? A few limpers ahead of us ? Position for the rest of the hand ? All of the ingredients are there, we HAVE to raise this every single time. Limping is too risky, we can lose a big pot here on an A-xx flop because we let A-x draw out cheaply. Raise for value, raise to isolate, raise for hand protection.


PokerStars Game #15065972753: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:53:52 (ET)
Table 'Esclangona' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: MrRvW ($25 in chips)
Seat 2: Tygran37 ($29 in chips)
Seat 3: Macky2 ($9.65 in chips)
Seat 4: KillerV3 ($58.95 in chips)
Seat 6: iamorgo ($24.40 in chips)
Seat 7: balls12182 ($13.25 in chips)
Seat 8: cañon ($30.85 in chips)
Seat 9: stanis1 ($21.40 in chips)
iamorgo: posts small blind $0.10
balls12182: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Ah Qs]
cañon: folds
stanis1: folds
MrRvW: folds
stanis1 leaves the table
Tygran37: raises $0.50 to $0.75
Macky2: folds
bennypeaches joins the table at seat #9
KillerV3: folds
iamorgo: folds
balls12182: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [2s 4c 9d]
balls12182: checks
Tygran37: bets $1.35
balls12182: folds
Tygran37 collected $1.55 from pot
Tygran37: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.60 | Rake $0.05
Board [2s 4c 9d]
Seat 1: MrRvW folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Tygran37 collected ($1.55)
Seat 3: Macky2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Ive been noticing that you vary the size of your raises according to you relative hand strength. Once you move up players will start to pick up on this and will start to take notes on you. If your unsure base you raises on your table position rather than your hand strength or raise the same amount each time, and base it on the number of limpers.


PokerStars Game #15065994581: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:54:54 (ET)
Table 'Chantal IV' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Jesje ($3.25 in chips)
Seat 2: foxfox ($8.65 in chips)
Seat 3: ajfonso ($36.55 in chips)
Seat 4: Nagano6 ($29.35 in chips)
Seat 5: lrmman ($26.75 in chips)
Seat 6: skandal76 ($27.20 in chips)
Seat 7: niceehand ($16.90 in chips)
Seat 8: dancraw ($19 in chips)
Seat 9: Tygran37 ($26.40 in chips)
dancraw: posts small blind $0.10
Tygran37: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Kh Ks]
foxfox is disconnected
Jesje: raises $3 to $3.25 and is all-in
niceehand said, "lol"
niceehand said, "k8"
Jesje said, "calll"
foxfox is connected
foxfox: folds
niceehand said, "no thanks"
ajfonso: folds
niceehand said, "i'll savour your chips"
Nagano6: calls $3.25
lrmman: folds
skandal76: folds
niceehand: folds
dancraw: folds
Tygran37: raises $7.75 to $11
Nagano6: calls $7.75
*** FLOP *** [9d 5c 4c]
Tygran37: bets $15.40 and is all-in
Nagano6: calls $15.40
*** TURN *** [9d 5c 4c] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [9d 5c 4c 2s] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Tygran37: shows [Kh Ks] (two pair, Kings and Deuces)
Nagano6: shows [Js Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Deuces)
Tygran37 collected $44.05 from side pot

Standard, nice play that looks very like a squeeze.

PokerStars Game #15066029653: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:56:33 (ET)
Table 'Esclangona' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: MrRvW ($21.25 in chips)
Seat 2: Tygran37 ($29.80 in chips)
Seat 3: Macky2 ($9.65 in chips)
Seat 4: KillerV3 ($59.30 in chips)
Seat 5: J.Don.fvl ($19 in chips)
Seat 6: iamorgo ($24.30 in chips)
Seat 7: balls12182 ($12.40 in chips)
Seat 8: cañon ($30.50 in chips)
Seat 9: bennypeaches ($24.75 in chips)
bennypeaches: posts small blind $0.10
MrRvW: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Ac Kh]
Tygran37: folds
Macky2: folds
KillerV3: folds
J.Don.fvl: raises $0.75 to $1
iamorgo: folds
balls12182: folds
cañon: folds
bennypeaches: folds
MrRvW: folds
J.Don.fvl collected $0.60 from pot
J.Don.fvl: doesn't show hand

Holy shit batman. Even Robin raises here. Weak-tight.

PokerStars Game #15066032459: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:56:41 (ET)
Table 'Isergina II' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: dobieatwar ($12.65 in chips)
Seat 3: 1ofaKind420 ($28.75 in chips)
Seat 4: bet2bettin ($42.90 in chips)
Seat 5: Kundera666 ($60.30 in chips)
Seat 6: Tygran37 ($24.30 in chips)
Seat 7: Argus27 ($32.40 in chips)
Seat 8: jillpf ($2.70 in chips)
Seat 9: Sunstone2402 ($5 in chips)
jillpf: posts small blind $0.10
Sunstone2402: posts big blind $0.25
finalhonor: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [5c 5d]
dobieatwar: folds
1ofaKind420: folds
bet2bettin: folds
Kundera666: folds
Tygran37: raises $0.50 to $0.75
Argus27: folds
jillpf: folds
Sunstone2402: folds
Tygran37 collected $0.60 from pot

Notice the big blinds stack size, what do you do if he shoves ? Can you call it, because you need to be perpared to if he shoves.
 
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PokerStars Game #15066037166: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:56:55 (ET)
Table 'Chantal IV' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Jesje ($5 in chips)
Seat 2: foxfox ($8.65 in chips)
Seat 3: ajfonso ($36.55 in chips)
Seat 4: Nagano6 ($2.95 in chips)
Seat 5: lrmman ($26.75 in chips)
Seat 6: skandal76 ($27.20 in chips)
Seat 7: niceehand ($16.90 in chips)
Seat 8: dancraw ($18.90 in chips)
Seat 9: Tygran37 ($53.45 in chips)
Tygran37: posts small blind $0.10
Jesje: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Qs Ac]
Nagano6 said, "nh"
foxfox: folds
Tygran37 said, "ty"
ajfonso: folds
Nagano6: folds
Tygran37 said, "made me nervous when you called"
niceehand said, "10-5"
lrmman: calls $0.25
niceehand said, "lol"
skandal76: folds
niceehand: folds
dancraw: folds
Tygran37: calls $0.15
Jesje: raises $4.75 to $5 and is all-in
lrmman: folds
Tygran37 said, "shoving any 2?"
Jesje said, "lol no"
Tygran37 said, "meh i think i gotta look you up have that 5T"
Tygran37: calls $4.75
*** FLOP *** [Td 2c Kd]
*** TURN *** [Td 2c Kd] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [Td 2c Kd 9d] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Tygran37: shows [Qs Ac] (high card Ace)
Jesje: mucks hand 85o lol
Tygran37 collected $9.75 from pot

This is a good call, but raising here is better here than limp-calling. I think that you need a little FE here rather than the call. Im going to assume this is a read dependant one.

PokerStars Game #15066075046: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:58:44 (ET)
Table 'Chantal IV' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: foxfox ($8.65 in chips)
Seat 3: ajfonso ($36.55 in chips)
Seat 4: Nagano6 ($2.95 in chips)
Seat 5: lrmman ($26.50 in chips)
Seat 6: skandal76 ($27.20 in chips)
Seat 7: niceehand ($16.90 in chips)
Seat 8: dancraw ($18.90 in chips)
Seat 9: Tygran37 ($58.20 in chips)
foxfox: posts small blind $0.10
ajfonso: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [As Ts]
niceehand said, "LOL"
Nagano6: folds
lrmman: folds
skandal76: folds
niceehand said, "8 high!!"
niceehand: calls $0.25
dancraw: folds
Jesje has returned
Tygran37: folds
foxfox: calls $0.15
Jesje said, ":)"
ajfonso: raises $1.25 to $1.50
niceehand: folds
foxfox: folds
ajfonso collected $0.75 from pot

Again, too tight. We are on the button, with a limper, we can raise liberaly here, folding is bad. Too tight.

PokerStars Game #15066090169: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:59:27 (ET)
Table 'Chantal IV' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Jesje ($20.05 in chips)
Seat 2: foxfox ($8.40 in chips)
Seat 3: ajfonso ($37.05 in chips)
Seat 4: Nagano6 ($2.95 in chips)
Seat 5: lrmman ($26.50 in chips)
Seat 6: skandal76 ($27.20 in chips)
Seat 7: niceehand ($16.65 in chips)
Seat 8: dancraw ($18.90 in chips)
Seat 9: Tygran37 ($58.20 in chips)
ajfonso: posts small blind $0.10
Nagano6: posts big blind $0.25
Jesje: posts small blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Qh Ad]
lrmman: calls $0.25
skandal76: calls $0.25
niceehand: folds
dancraw: calls $0.25
niceehand said, "i think hes unloaded the rest of his bankroll"
niceehand said, "lol"
Tygran37 said, "so shoving *almost* any two then?"
Tygran37: folds
Jesje: calls $0.25
foxfox: folds
ajfonso: folds
Nagano6: checks
*** FLOP *** [As 7s 4h]

Ah man ! A few limpers and a very strong hand, again dont fold here, raise, raise, raise ! The table chat is funny, even with a guy shoving any two we decide to fold. Too tight.

PokerStars Game #15066171088: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 22:03:10 (ET)
Table 'Algol' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: flowerrose ($10.50 in chips)
Seat 2: 1rudedawg ($27.90 in chips)
Seat 3: Tygran37 ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 4: rhcp2231 ($5.30 in chips)
Seat 5: powersea ($7.35 in chips)
Seat 6: FishnChips17 ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 7: Greg890 ($28.45 in chips)
Seat 8: 1ofaKind420 ($26.15 in chips)
Seat 9: howlkal ($24.50 in chips)
Greg890: posts small blind $0.10
1ofaKind420: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [9c 9s]
howlkal: folds
flowerrose: folds
1rudedawg: calls $0.25
Tygran37: calls $0.25
rhcp2231: folds
powersea: folds
FishnChips17: folds
Greg890: calls $0.15
1rudedawg said, "BOO"
1ofaKind420: raises $1.75 to $2
1rudedawg: folds
Tygran37: calls $1.75
Greg890: calls $1.75
*** FLOP *** [9h 8d 3d]
Greg890: checks
1ofaKind420: checks
Tygran37: bets $4.75
Greg890: folds
1ofaKind420: folds
Tygran37 collected $5.95 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.25 | Rake $0.30

Fine, the bet is a little heavy here though, betting $3 might entice a check raise here. Maybe checking the flop and hoping for an ace or a king on the turn might be better here. This table is paying off though so i dont mind it really. Nice hand.



PokerStars Game #15066171088: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 22:03:10 (ET)
Table 'Algol' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: flowerrose ($10.50 in chips)
Seat 2: 1rudedawg ($27.90 in chips)
Seat 3: Tygran37 ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 4: rhcp2231 ($5.30 in chips)
Seat 5: powersea ($7.35 in chips)
Seat 6: FishnChips17 ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 7: Greg890 ($28.45 in chips)
Seat 8: 1ofaKind420 ($26.15 in chips)
Seat 9: howlkal ($24.50 in chips)
Greg890: posts small blind $0.10
1ofaKind420: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [9c 9s]
howlkal: folds
flowerrose: folds
1rudedawg: calls $0.25
Tygran37: calls $0.25
rhcp2231: folds
powersea: folds
FishnChips17: folds
Greg890: calls $0.15
1rudedawg said, "BOO"
1ofaKind420: raises $1.75 to $2
1rudedawg: folds
Tygran37: calls $1.75
Greg890: calls $1.75
*** FLOP *** [9h 8d 3d]
Greg890: checks
1ofaKind420: checks
Tygran37: bets $4.75
Greg890: folds
1ofaKind420: folds
Tygran37 collected $5.95 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.25 | Rake $0.30

The thing is when you raise get a caller and miss the flop, most of your profit comes from when you c-bet. This is most effective against one player and your in the ideal situation for it here. Just bet this and take it down. You can alse do this on the turn :)
 
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I'd agree with everything TB's said to this point in all the hands.


PokerStars Game #15065783439: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:45:10 (ET)
Table 'Isergina II' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: dobieatwar ($12.65 in chips)
Seat 3: 1ofaKind420 ($25.35 in chips)
Seat 4: bet2bettin ($42.60 in chips)
Seat 5: Kundera666 ($60.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Tygran37 ($25 in chips)
Seat 7: Argus27 ($32.40 in chips)
Seat 8: jillpf ($2.95 in chips)
Seat 9: Sunstone2402 ($4.05 in chips)
jillpf: posts small blind $0.10
Sunstone2402: posts big blind $0.25
Tygran37: posts small & big blinds $0.35
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Ac Qs]
dobieatwar: folds
1ofaKind420: calls $0.25
bet2bettin: folds
Kundera666: folds
Tygran37: checks


Why are you posting out of turn ? It affects you win rate and you should really get into the habit of waiting. Look at the pre-flop raisers stack size, you should be 3-betting here to isolate and for hand protection, certainly not folding. Again a little weak-tight.


Just to add on this one, since you did post out of turn, you got what you want; a big hand. I'd be raising when it came 'round rather than just checking.
 
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PokerStars Game #15065770806: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:44:36 (ET)
Table 'Ara V' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: maddskillz20 ($53.40 in chips)
Seat 2: MrRvW ($24.15 in chips)
Seat 3: comepapas ($80.55 in chips)
Seat 4: whitefox2007 ($18.40 in chips)
Seat 5: rey_dereyes1 ($22.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Generouss ($9.30 in chips)
Seat 7: dennisa ($35.70 in chips)
Seat 8: Tygran37 ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 9: SupaFupa ($5.45 in chips)
whitefox2007: posts small blind $0.10
rey_dereyes1: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Ad Kd]
Generouss: folds
dennisa: folds
Tygran37: raises $0.50 to $0.75
SupaFupa: folds
maddskillz20: folds
MrRvW: folds
comepapas: calls $0.75
whitefox2007: folds
rey_dereyes1: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [4h 8s 3c]
rey_dereyes1: checks
Tygran37: bets $1.50
comepapas: calls $1.50
rey_dereyes1: folds
*** TURN *** [4h 8s 3c] 6♣
Tygran37: checks
comepapas: checks
*** RIVER *** [4h 8s 3c 6c] A♥
Tygran37: checks
comepapas: bets $5
Tygran37: calls $5
*** SHOW DOWN ***
comepapas: shows [Js Ks] (high card Ace)
Tygran37: shows [Ad Kd] (a pair of Aces)
Tygran37 collected $14.60 from pot

Cant really argue with much here, the pre-flop raise is hugggeee though, and telegraphs the strenght of you hand. Apart from that standard.
3x = huge? You realize this is $25NL right? I don't like the river check here though. It was check-check on the turn and you just hit a card that you have no reason to believe is not the best hand right now. I think you need to bet it. Luckily villain picked exactly the wrong time to bluff and in this one particular situation you may have picked the right time to check the river, but in general I think you have to value bet that river.

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PokerStars Game #15065790495: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:45:29 (ET)
Table 'Esclangona' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: MrRvW ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 2: Tygran37 ($25 in chips)
Seat 4: KillerV3 ($29.65 in chips)
Seat 6: iamorgo ($24.50 in chips)
Seat 8: cañon ($26.50 in chips)
Seat 9: stanis1 ($24.40 in chips)
J.Don.fvl will be allowed to play after the button
iamorgo: posts small blind $0.10
J.Don.fvl joins the table at seat #5
cañon: posts big blind $0.25
Tygran37: posts big blind $0.25
Macky2: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [8h 8d]
stanis1: folds
MrRvW: raises $0.75 to $1
balls12182 joins the table at seat #7
Tygran37: calls $0.75
KillerV3: folds
iamorgo: folds
cañon: folds
*** FLOP *** [5c 8c 2h]
MrRvW: checks
Tygran37: checks
*** TURN *** [5c 8c 2h] Q♣
MrRvW: bets $1.40
Tygran37: calls $1.40
*** RIVER *** [5c 8c 2h Qc] K♠
MrRvW: checks
Tygran37: bets $2
MrRvW: calls $2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Tygran37: shows [8h 8d] (three of a kind, Eights)
MrRvW: mucks hand
Tygran37 collected $8.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $9.15 | Rake $0.40
Board [5c 8c 2h Qc Ks]
Seat 1: MrRvW mucked [Ah Qd]
Seat 2: Tygran37 showed [8h 8d] and won ($8.75) with three of a kind, Eights

Yea, pretty standard. I usually raise that turn though, just in case hes holding a big club and he gets there cheaply.

I also bet that flop. He checked in front, and rarely will he improve. Check isn't terrible, but I think we need to build the pot and plus if we start cbetting our misses and checking our monsters we become predictable. OOP this would be fine to check and induce a bet, but I think we need to bet this on the flop just for the sake of value. We're not looking for value on the flop, but we're looking to build a pot so the river bet will be bigger and still get called, since bets are based on pot size usually.

tenbob said:
PokerStars Game #15065831865: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 21:47:22 (ET)
Table 'Isergina II' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: dobieatwar ($12.75 in chips)
Seat 3: 1ofaKind420 ($25.10 in chips)
Seat 4: bet2bettin ($42.60 in chips)
Seat 5: Kundera666 ($60.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Tygran37 ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 7: Argus27 ($32.40 in chips)
Seat 8: jillpf ($6.20 in chips)
Seat 9: Sunstone2402 ($5 in chips)
dobieatwar: posts small blind $0.10
1ofaKind420: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Qd Kd]
finalhonor has returned
bet2bettin: calls $0.25
Kundera666: folds
Tygran37: folds
Argus27: folds
jillpf: calls $0.25
Sunstone2402: folds
dobieatwar: folds
1ofaKind420: checks

Hmmmm, I dont overly mind this but I certainly dont like it. This should be a standard raise, we can limp for big hand value as well, folding is very very tight here.


I'd fold this here too. You're out of position, and this is one of the hands that if we hit we're never sure if we're good. Mainly the problem is if we limp we could get a lot of callers, which we don't want when we hit. If we raise here a caller could easily have us dominated. I don't mind the fold at all. If you have better position you should open with a raise with KQ, but in this position I prefer the fold here. Again, just my opinion.
 
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PokerStars Game #15066245132: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 22:06:36 (ET)
Table 'Esclangona' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: MrRvW ($23.10 in chips)
Seat 2: Tygran37 ($29.20 in chips)
Seat 3: Macky2 ($9.30 in chips)
Seat 4: KillerV3 ($65.85 in chips)
Seat 5: J.Don.fvl ($4.20 in chips)
Seat 6: iamorgo ($29.65 in chips)
Seat 7: balls12182 ($11.35 in chips)
Seat 8: cañon ($32.60 in chips)
Seat 9: bennypeaches ($24.50 in chips)
MrRvW: posts small blind $0.10
Tygran37: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Tc Th]
Macky2: folds
KillerV3: folds
J.Don.fvl: folds
iamorgo: calls $0.25
balls12182: folds
cañon: raises $1 to $1.25
bennypeaches: folds
MrRvW: folds
Tygran37: calls $1
iamorgo: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [4d 3d 5d]
Tygran37: checks
iamorgo: checks
cañon: bets $3.25
Tygran37: folds
iamorgo: folds
cañon collected $3.70 from pot
cañon: doesn't show hand

Read dependant hand ?? I lead out the overpair here and see if i get raised. We are good and against unimproved overs here enough times here to make betting profitable.


PokerStars Game #15066313785: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 22:09:48 (ET)
Table 'Chiny V' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: howlkal ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 2: 1ofaKind420 ($24.50 in chips)
Seat 3: DaddyMD ($10 in chips)
Seat 4: bulja ($21.80 in chips)
Seat 5: steve516 ($14.10 in chips)
Seat 6: Blue022 ($32.40 in chips)
Seat 7: Tygran37 ($25.80 in chips)
Blue022: posts small blind $0.10
Tygran37: posts big blind $0.25
pechardi: sits out
noh0pe: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Qs Ts]
howlkal: folds
1ofaKind420: folds
DaddyMD: folds
bulja: folds
steve516: folds
Blue022: calls $0.15
Tygran37: checks
*** FLOP *** [Jh Ac 7c]
Blue022: checks
Tygran37: checks
*** TURN *** [Jh Ac 7c] [3h]
Blue022: checks
Tygran37: checks
*** RIVER *** [Jh Ac 7c 3h] [Td]
Blue022: checks
Tygran37: checks

Chips in the middle waiting for you to reach out and pick them up. Hes telegraphing weakness over and over. Just stab at it. Picking up small pots like these is important for you overall win rate and add up in the long run. How sick will you be if he flips over 32o and wins because you didnt bet at it.

PokerStars Game #15066341640: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/04 - 22:11:07 (ET)
Table 'Proteus II' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: 00Primeau00 ($24.05 in chips)
Seat 2: Tygran37 ($26.05 in chips)
Seat 3: Irunbatches ($6.65 in chips)
Seat 4: sethman22 ($26.65 in chips)
Seat 5: SmileDK! ($23.75 in chips)
Seat 6: PiS.Kal ($25 in chips)
Seat 7: Arney1984 ($13.95 in chips)
Seat 8: superleeds ($27.70 in chips)
Seat 9: yogeesun ($24.75 in chips)
PiS.Kal: posts small blind $0.10
Arney1984: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Kc Ac]
superleeds: folds
yogeesun: folds
00Primeau00: folds
Tygran37: raises $0.75 to $1
Irunbatches: calls $1
sethman22: calls $1
SmileDK!: calls $1
PiS.Kal: folds
Arney1984: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ks 6h 7d]
Tygran37: bets $3.25
Irunbatches: folds
sethman22: folds
SmileDK!: folds
Tygran37 collected $4.15 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.35 | Rake $0.20

Likey much better.
 
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WOW. I've just read the past few hands. Tenbob's nailed most of them. I just want to re-emphasize that AQ is a good hand and AK is a great hand. In fact it's the 3rd best hand in poker preflop IMO (I put it in front of QQ because AK is better than QQ vs. KK). For you to fold it to a 4x preflop raise is just crazy. Honestly, what are you waiting for? I'm 3-betting it every time, but for the love of god, please AT LEAST call.
 
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Cliff notes.

I misread that AK raise of $.75, thought it was $1.75 one of the disadvantages of reading a block of raw hand histories.

This style is very nitty, and youll rarely get into any tough spots because of your style. I understand that you said to me you suffered a few beats in the last few weeks and tightened up. Folding AK even UTG is insane, and folding AQs in position with a few limpers is way to tight and you losing value. If your playing a high volume of hands I have absolutely no doubt that you can turn a small profit playing this style. Have a look at some of the nits and youll see them playing 16 tables like this, even up to nl$200.

You can raise with position more liberally and open up your hand ranges a little more. The example is is the KQs hand above, a suited connector and a big one, and when i say limping for big hand value i mean it, top 2+ and not to get in too deep with weak tp type hands. Steal a little more, raise the button a little more. Start playing you 910s type hands for raises occasionally, even if its to practice post flop poker with hands that can flop huge.

You didnt get into a single tough spots here, very very standard, and looking at the 200 hands you sent me the full amount above was what i could comment on, the vast majority was folds. You will not make much progress past nl$100 playing like this, and even on nl$100 youd be playing a very break even game even marginally losing game playing this style. Its simple too tight explore your hand ranges a bit more, you undervalue you big ace hands. Ill have a look at another session in a few weeks. Just my opnion :)
 
Tygran

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I wasn't sure exactly what hands were in that file when I sent it.


The AK fold yeah that was simply a mistake, not an intentional decision. I had to run away from the computer and it got autofolded.

I don't remember what happened with the AQ hand exactly, I agree that needed to be raised there.

I had alot of hands on the guy with QQ. He's usually extremely tight and only time I've seen him reraise like that is with KK/AA. Turns out that tonight I should have called him as I believe he was drunk (said something to that effect) and was playing like an idiot. Either that or two different guys use that account. The fold was a result of believing he had KK+ from past experience and realizing that this was either a fold or put him all in as a probable big dog. Anyway when I say tight I mean he was 6/2/4 over a few hundred hands.


Anyway yeah I agree completely with what you said so far. I have been playing waaay too tight lately, kinda got my head twisted around last week at the tables and I think I tightened up to an absurd amount to compensate for it.
 
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Not sure if everyone knows, but "1ofa...Kind420" (ellipsis to hinder Googling) is a notorious 10-at-a-time-or-more multi-tabler and some have even suspected he's a bot (just a rumor). So I think you can pretty much take whatever he does as straight-forward and less tricky post-flop. He's just a smidge on the loose side preflop. I love playing him since his play is so black and white.
 
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I read through a few of those Tygran and like everyone else said, you are WAY too tight. You need to loosen up, a lot. I agree with all of the things tenbob suggested.
 
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Just have a quick comment on the very first hand.

Is that the first hand at the table tenbob, so we have just sat down with a,j in the bb. If so im happy with the check of a,j pre flop. Since we would be out of position against complete unknowns. First hand at a table with no reads, i think a,j loses a lot more money in that situation compared to what it wins.

If it isnt the first hand however and we have stats and reads, a,j definately needs to be raised.

Also you have an uber tight image and probably some unreal tight stats, so take advantage of this at times by raising on the button with some suited connectors, or raising from mid postion with k,j since it is likely to be respected and folded to. Stealing blinds still plays its part in ring games as each one adds up slowly
 
Tygran

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Yeah actually that AJ was early at the table switch.


Although I deserve every bit of the criticism I'm getting for playing to tightly. I swear this past week hasn't been me playing my normal game! lol.


Actually though I think this analysis is exactly what I needed... It has sort of given me a little mental kick that said "you idiot, stop doing this".


I got some hands to look through for Tenbob as well as part of the swap.. I went through them last night and just haven't had a chance to post anything so that'll be going up tonight.
 
Tygran

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Bad beat here but this was last night.. this a little better with the aggression? :eek: Didn't have much of a read on the villain but his play had been a bit suspicious so far. Definitely hadn't done anything like this before. I decided he had to be restealing from what looked like a squeeze play from me which is what he was basically doing. (who limps after a limper then reraises a raiser? seriously).

POKERSTARS GAME #15090221250: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 22:27:07 (ET)
Table 'Klemola' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: joeythecouch ($11.20 in chips)
Seat 2: Garntea ($15 in chips)
Seat 3: SkunkyDanK ($21.45 in chips)
Seat 4: mcdougal2 ($23.10 in chips)
Seat 5: geof111 ($14.75 in chips)
Seat 6: fredsoya ($15.30 in chips)
Seat 7: Tygran37 ($27.35 in chips)
Seat 8: LOWBUDGET333 ($15.80 in chips)
fredsoya: posts small blind $0.10
Tygran37: posts big blind $0.25
Garntea: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tygran37 [Qh Qs]
MrDecker3 is connected
LOWBUDGET333: folds
LOWBUDGET333 is sitting out
MrDecker3 has returned
joeythecouch has timed out
joeythecouch: folds
joeythecouch is sitting out
Garntea: checks
SkunkyDanK: calls $0.25
mcdougal2: calls $0.25
geof111: folds
fredsoya: folds
Tygran37: raises $1.25 to $1.50
Garntea: calls $1.25
SkunkyDanK: raises $5.50 to $7
mcdougal2: folds
MrDecker3 is disconnected
Tygran37: raises $15.50 to $22.50
Garntea: folds
joeythecouch has returned
SkunkyDanK: calls $14.45 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Js 4s 8c]
MrDecker3 is connected
*** TURN *** [Js 4s 8c] K♥
*** RIVER *** [Js 4s 8c Kh] 3♠
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Tygran37: shows [Qh Qs] (a pair of Queens)
SkunkyDanK: shows [Qd Kd] (a pair of Kings)
SkunkyDanK collected $42.55 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $44.75 | Rake $2.20
Board [Js 4s 8c Kh 3s]
Seat 1: joeythecouch folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Garntea folded before Flop
Seat 3: SkunkyDanK showed [Qd Kd] and won ($42.55) with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: mcdougal2 folded before Flop
Seat 5: geof111 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: fredsoya (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Tygran37 (big blind) showed [Qh Qs] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 8: LOWBUDGET333 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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Ya I'm getting my money in PF all the time there - as you mentioned it's very rare for a guy to limp behind people with a hand that'll beat QQ here, and he's committed himself enough with the reraise that I'm happy to push. Something to note is that at 50nl+, stealing with position and similar plays are kind of a recurring theme, and if you've been abusing your position too much some players might actually trap with AA/KK here. I've had it happen to me several times; didn't believe them and got punished.

On a side note if we're both sitting 100bb+ deep then I'm usually taking a flop to try and lure those lesser hands in.
 
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