QQ Preflop $50 Max, raise then reraise in front of me

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pokerstars Game #9397521749: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/04/13 - 08:01:44 (ET)
Table 'Ulrike II' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: CRONOS ($51.90 in chips)
Seat 2: Knumsi ($49.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Arrow003 ($21.35 in chips)
Seat 4: meggsy ($50.25 in chips)
Seat 5: hott_estelle ($38.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Digger83 ($8.70 in chips)
Seat 7: Sweet.kr ($121.55 in chips)
Seat 8: khalez ($50.45 in chips)
Seat 9: Ar Schaflme ($30 in chips)
khalez: posts small blind $0.25
Ar Schaflme: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hott_estelle [Qh Qd]
CRONOS: folds
Knumsi: raises $1.50 to $2
Arrow003: folds
meggsy: folds
hott_estelle: calls $2
Digger83: raises $6.70 to $8.70 and is all-in
Sweet.kr: folds
khalez: folds
Ar Schaflme: folds
Knumsi: raises $21.80 to $30.50
hott_estelle said, "QQ"
Knumsi said, "fold :D"
hott_estelle said, "lol, you'd like that"
hott_estelle said, "im contemplating"
hott_estelle said, "i think u hav KK"
hott_estelle: ??


First raiser it is I believe his 2nd hand so zero reads on him. The 2nd reraiser has won 2 of I think past 3 pots without having to show, has been a bit aggressive preflop with hands like A10 suited, and AQ suited, ect. Is it possible he's trying to isolate himself HU with the low stack push with a hand like AJ suited or AQ suited?? Or does he have something like AA or KK here?? Ignore my banter, I was just trying to get some info from him.

Anyways, that's the scenario, what do you do? Call, push, or fold??
 
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*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hott_estelle [Qh Qd]
CRONOS: folds
Knumsi: raises $1.50 to $2
Arrow003: folds
meggsy: folds
hott_estelle: calls $2
Digger83: raises $6.70 to $8.70 and is all-in
Sweet.kr: folds
khalez: folds
Ar Schaflme: folds
Knumsi: raises $21.80 to $30.50

Heh, the cold call cost you here, Knumsi could be re-raising to isolate, I raise it up to ~$6 here, as played fold, and cry when they both have AK.
 
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It was a bit of a risk, I was straight calling because I was looking for a reraise here. Been a bit of a loose table besides one or two players. Might have been a mistake.
 
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Yeah, reraise pf, then you can pretty safely fold to the subsequent action (assuming it goes push-reraise).

Half the table has already acted - the chances of a reraise behind you are slim, the chances of a couple more calls are quite large, and obviously with QQ you really don't want to be playing a 4-way pot. Reraise, buy position for the rest of the hand if called by the EP raiser, and proceed from there. Don't get fancy play syndrome at loose tables.

As played, ugh, probably fold. Guy has raised in EP and essentially overshoved someone who's pushed knowing he's raised in EP. If both villains are reasonably competent players I think this is a fold, obviously veering more to a call the more donkish they are.

I don't know whether to say the shortstack's range is wide because he's short, or it's narrow because he's pushing without a great deal of fold equity, though. Depends on the player, I suppose.
 
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I don't know whether to say the shortstack's range is wide because he's short, or it's narrow because he's pushing without a great deal of fold equity, though. Depends on the player, I suppose.


Well, the short stack only bought in for the minimum of $10, so I'm guessing he's pushing with a solid hand at least, can't be too wide a range. I'm just concerned at the moment with the reraiser and whether or not the side pot with him is worth it.
 
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I usually put the reraise more on a pair then Ax.

I think he could have tt-jj as well. Doesnt want too many overcards hanging around.

Wouldnt feel too bad about folding it though, since were getting out pretty cheap. That and the fact he didnt push but put 2/3 of his stack in makes me more scared of AA or KK.
 
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Yes by not reraising preflop its hard to get a read now. You could very well be ahead and I agree with you he could just simply be trying to isolate himself HU with the shortstack. To make a decision try to think what you would do if roles were reversed. If you were him and you had AA or KK, would you isolate the all-in guy or try to create a sidepot with 3rd player? In other words, would you want that 3rd player in or you rather he folds? If you think you would rather have a side pot then call, because it means he reraised with a lesser hand. If you think you would isolate 1st player in that scenario, then fold. Its a little confusing and won't always be right since people think differently (although lol great minds think alike) but its a good way to make a decision in a confusing situation like this this where both options look good (folding cheaply or winning a huge pot).
 
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Yes by not reraising preflop its hard to get a read now. You could very well be ahead and I agree with you he could just simply be trying to isolate himself HU with the shortstack. To make a decision try to think what you would do if roles were reversed. If you were him and you had AA or KK, would you isolate the all-in guy or try to create a sidepot with 3rd player? In other words, would you want that 3rd player in or you rather he folds? If you think you would rather have a side pot then call, because it means he reraised with a lesser hand. If you think you would isolate 1st player in that scenario, then fold. Its a little confusing and won't always be right since people think differently (although lol great minds think alike) but its a good way to make a decision in a confusing situation like this this where both options look good (folding cheaply or winning a huge pot).

Yeah but its fishy that he raised but didnt push.

Raised 30 and left himself with barely 20.

So its kind of like a i do want a side pot but i dont wanna get sucked out on cheap kinda bet
 
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Yes by not reraising preflop its hard to get a read now. You could very well be ahead and I agree with you he could just simply be trying to isolate himself HU with the shortstack. To make a decision try to think what you would do if roles were reversed. If you were him and you had AA or KK, would you isolate the all-in guy or try to create a sidepot with 3rd player? In other words, would you want that 3rd player in or you rather he folds? If you think you would rather have a side pot then call, because it means he reraised with a lesser hand. If you think you would isolate 1st player in that scenario, then fold. Its a little confusing and won't always be right since people think differently (although lol great minds think alike) but its a good way to make a decision in a confusing situation like this this where both options look good (folding cheaply or winning a huge pot).


I can't play like "if that was me" with AA or KK would I want a side pot because it isn't me making that move. Everyone does not play the same as me. He could easily be wanting to isolate with shortstack HU with AA or KK because he doesn't want his AA or KK to get a bad beat.

Also, I've had a bit of a loose image at this table so far.
 
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probably ak/aq/tt+ vs aj/any pair. i think we can fold here, but to smooth call like we did PF we need kk/aa.
 
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To me he had AK, AQ, KK, AA, or rags.

Lol, thanks for covering all the bases, you just named every hand in the deck pretty much.

Would you call or fold? Thats the question, so if you put him on AK, AQ, AA, KK, what do you do?? AQ obv. call, AK, call, AA and KK fold, so its 50/50 for you still? Then factor in the rags, so you say call I'm guessing?
 
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First raiser it is I believe his 2nd hand so zero reads on him.

Ok, you don't like my suggestion because everyone plays different (I'd swear I wrote that too), so then w/o reads you have to fold this. Your LAG image, to me, doesn't mean you should call. We actually are in the dark in this hand. I merely suggested a way to make a decision since evidently here we have nothing else to support going one way or the other.
 
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Gamboooool! You've under-repped your hand. Being against AK would be a good result and you'll see AK, JJ, TT more often that you'll see AA and KK. Plus you're 20% to suck out on those hands. I don't think calling is bad at all. Plus you only have 3/4 of a buy-in.

Edit: calling = pushing obv.
 
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PokerStars Game #9397521749: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/04/13 - 08:01:44 (ET)
Table 'Ulrike II' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: CRONOS ($51.90 in chips)
Seat 2: Knumsi ($49.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Arrow003 ($21.35 in chips)
Seat 4: meggsy ($50.25 in chips)
Seat 5: hott_estelle ($38.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Digger83 ($8.70 in chips)
Seat 7: Sweet.kr ($121.55 in chips)
Seat 8: khalez ($50.45 in chips)
Seat 9: Ar Schaflme ($30 in chips)
khalez: posts small blind $0.25
Ar Schaflme: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hott_estelle [Qh Qd]
CRONOS: folds
Knumsi: raises $1.50 to $2
Arrow003: folds
meggsy: folds
hott_estelle: calls $2
Digger83: raises $6.70 to $8.70 and is all-in
Sweet.kr: folds
khalez: folds
Ar Schaflme: folds
Knumsi: raises $21.80 to $30.50
hott_estelle said, "QQ"
Knumsi said, "fold :D"
hott_estelle said, "lol, you'd like that"
hott_estelle said, "im contemplating"
hott_estelle said, "i think u hav KK"
hott_estelle: folds
*** FLOP *** [Tc 5d 6d]
*** TURN *** [Tc 5d 6d] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [Tc 5d 6d Jd] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Knumsi: shows [Ks Kd] (a pair of Kings)
Digger83: shows [Ah Ac] (a pair of Aces)
Digger83 collected $19.15 from pot
hott_estelle said, "whew"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.15 | Rake $1
Board [Tc 5d 6d Jd 3h]
Seat 1: CRONOS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Knumsi showed [Ks Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 3: Arrow003 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: meggsy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: hott_estelle folded before Flop
Seat 6: Digger83 showed [Ah Ac] and won ($19.15) with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: Sweet.kr (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: khalez (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Ar Schaflme (big blind) folded before Flop


Havn't seen top 3 pocket-pairs preflop in a while. I thought he might possibly be trying to isolate with AK or AQ, something along those lines that might get me to call this, but I decided against it.
 
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You are - this time they had AA and KK, but I'm sure you wouldn't have posted if you'd folded and they'd both turned up AK! Posting the hand history proves nothing.
 
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You are - this time they had AA and KK, but I'm sure you wouldn't have posted if you'd folded and they'd both turned up AK! Posting the hand history proves nothing.

I think the hand was posted because it was a close decision, and your claims are a little outlandish. ;)
 
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Good fold. Tough to lay down QQ preflop, but I like it here... regardless of results.
 
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You are - this time they had AA and KK, but I'm sure you wouldn't have posted if you'd folded and they'd both turned up AK! Posting the hand history proves nothing.

I still would have posted, because it was still a tough decision. I wasn't posting this because I made a good lay down, I was posting it because I wanted opinions on a tough decision. If they had both turned over AK, I still would have posted it.


I think the hand was posted because it was a close decision, and your claims are a little outlandish. ;)

Exactly. I don't know why you thought that BJ, but I was posting this regardless of the results and the hands they had.
 
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