PLO lessons 7: made straight (nuts) on flop vs HUGE draw

[skoldpadda]

pokerstars Game #12424531367: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/10/03 - 22:34:04 (ET)
Table 'Armenia' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: RIOZICO ($5.45 in chips)
Seat 2: bfish_Z ($9.85 in chips)
Seat 3: gofore ($5.05 in chips)
Seat 4: 2003shaker ($8.80 in chips)
Seat 5: Teeboner07 ($6.15 in chips)
Seat 6: deanluck ($14.70 in chips)
Seat 7: sxm59 ($10.65 in chips)
Seat 9: BabyHumvee ($20.80 in chips)
2003shaker: posts small blind $0.05
Teeboner07: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BabyHumvee [6s Qs Ks Qc]
deanluck: calls $0.10
sxm59: calls $0.10
BabyHumvee: calls $0.10
RIOZICO: folds
bfish_Z: calls $0.10
gofore: folds
2003shaker: calls $0.05
Teeboner07: checks
*** FLOP *** [8s Td Js]
2003shaker: checks
Teeboner07: checks
deanluck: checks
sxm59: checks
BabyHumvee: bets $0.50
bfish_Z: raises $1.60 to $2.10
2003shaker: folds
Teeboner07: folds
deanluck: folds
sxm59: folds
BabyHumvee: raises $4.80 to $6.90
bfish_Z: raises $2.85 to $9.75 and is all-in
BabyHumvee: calls $2.85
*** TURN *** [8s Td Js] 3♥
*** RIVER *** [8s Td Js 3h] 4♠
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BabyHumvee: shows [6s Qs Ks Qc] (a flush, King high)
bfish_Z: mucks hand
BabyHumvee collected $19.10 from pot
bfish_Z leaves the table
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.10 | Rake $1
Board [8s Td Js 3h 4s]
Seat 1: RIOZICO folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: bfish_Z mucked [9h 9c Qd 7h]
Seat 3: gofore (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: 2003shaker (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Teeboner07 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: deanluck folded on the Flop
Seat 7: sxm59 folded on the Flop
Seat 9: BabyHumvee showed [6s Qs Ks Qc] and won ($19.10) with a flush, King high

Note that the villain had no blockers for my flush or any redraws to bigger straights. It is hard to lay down the nuts on the flop but with the draws out there, don't be eager to get your money all in with a non-improveable hand. Granted it's a coin flip, but with villain's hand, you have to fold. I could be freerolling him with the same hand but with draws to the flush and bigger straights. I was trying to push him off the hand with my raise to $6.90 and was pot committed at that point.

I could have been in big trouble if he had 9s10s or a redraw to nut flush or bigger straights. In hindsight, it was a reckless play on my part. Probably better to call down or possibly even fold if you're super nitty (since my flush draw is non-nut). At these stakes, I don't tend to be super nitty

So overall, I'd say both of us got too carried away with the value of our respective hands.

 

[Schatzdog]

Would you ever bin the nut straight on the flop? I had a hand the other night where I made the nut straight (nust at the time) but the board paired diamonds. Ended up 3 way all-in and I knew at least one of my opponents had a diamond draw. Turns out both of them had it, one to the nut flush, the other to the second nuts. Anyway, one guy had an open-ender and flush draw and made a bigger straight. Looking at the equity I had 38% vs 33% vs 27%. Still, do you ever find a fold with the nuts on the flop if it's a straight?

 

[skoldpadda]

I think you can for the reasons I mentioned above. I could've been free-rolling him with a bigger straight or flush draw. What I don't like about his hand is the he has no higher re-draw on a draw heavy board. for example, I could have 9Q and then KsAs and he would be in bad shape.

 

[Schatzdog]

Cool. SS2 (Lyle Berman) expalins just that. He'll fold the nut straight is he thinks his opponent has the same straight but with a redraw to a bigger straight or flush. I guess this is where blockers come into play too.