Overpair, no folds to flop bet

NineLions

NineLions

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pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($24.25)
SB ($4.75)
BB ($10.50)
UTG ($21.30)
UTG+1 ($14.35)
Hero ($40.65)
MP2 ($5.75)
CO ($24.40)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q
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, Q
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.
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, CO calls $1.25, 3 folds, UTG calls $1.

Flop: ($4.10) 6
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, 8
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, T
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(3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.25, CO calls $2.25, UTG raises to $4.5

Hero ???


I was multi-tabling multi sites, but I didn't notice anything unusual about CO. UTG I have played before. I know him to be tight/passive; one of those players that only play their best hands and then hope that it holds up.

What do you think UTG is min-check-raising with? As CO is tight/passive, am I behind CO?
 
tonymaclennan

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Maybe he put you on high cards and was trying to go above you...
 
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bw07507

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Given your read on UTG, my guess is that he has you beat with a set, but I would probably call and try to see a cheap showdown. Although, you dont want to give CO correct odds to chase a draw here, this is a tough situation. Against a looser, more aggressive player Id probably reraise here, and from what Ive seen, check/min reraise is usually weak. If you reraise the UTG here and he pushes on you, you will most likely be pot commited.
 
NineLions

NineLions

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($24.25)
SB ($4.75)
BB ($10.50)
UTG ($21.30)
UTG+1 ($14.35)
Hero ($40.65)
MP2 ($5.75)
CO ($24.40)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q
club.gif
, Q
diamond.gif
.
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, CO calls $1.25, 3 folds, UTG calls $1.

Flop: ($4.10) 6
diamond.gif
, 8
diamond.gif
, T
club.gif
(3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.25, CO calls $2.25, UTG raises to $4.5

Hero ???


I was multi-tabling multi sites, but I didn't notice anything unusual about CO. UTG I have played before. I know him to be tight/passive; (Wrong; I have these two backwards at this point; it's UTG I don't know, CO is tight/passive :rolleyes:) one of those players that only play their best hands and then hope that it holds up.

What do you think UTG is min-check-raising with? As CO is tight/passive, am I behind CO?


K, I'm an idiot, or, I got myself confused.


Correction in bold.

Since CO called, he has some kind of hand although it could be a draw. JJ maybe, or two high diamonds?

But what does the check-minraise say to you?
 
joosebuck

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monster draw or monster made hand usually. people wont check minraise AT often.
 
pokernut

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The way UTG played this hand makes me think he is betting a draw. Maybe it's just a weird semi-bluff move from him. If he was being tricky with aces or kings pre, then he would have limped and re-raised pre, so I think you can rule those out. I would think that you are ahead of his range but I always have a hard time with these min raises.

I would probably put him on something like Ad10d or 9 10, something like that. I probably just call the flop bet though and re-evaluate on the turn. If he's on a flush draw and doesn't hit the diamond on the turn, then he's probably not firing a second bullet.
 
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