NL .05/.10 hand, theory into practice...?

Vintage82

Vintage82

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I've only got a few pages left to read of Small Stakes Holdem, and I know its a limit only book, but its transformed my thinking & the way I play. This came up, and I wanted to see the thoughts.

I'm guessing this is +EV, but am someway off doing the calculations quickly, but have a decent idea.

No reads on the player, its been 2 orbits, and he's limped a couple of times in MP, and folded to a flop bet. Its a cagey table, not too much out of place as yet.

Texas Hold'em NL $0.05/$0.10
Table Campbellsburg
Seat 1: Teferi ($1.00 in chips)
Seat 2: hunterbravo ($6.25 in chips) DEALER
Seat 3: rayzoor ($5.93 in chips)
Seat 4: Vintage82 ($9.70 in chips)
Seat 5: Longshott ($10.80 in chips)
Seat 6: hujbika ($0.55 in chips)
Seat 7: jomibb ($6.25 in chips)
Seat 8: JoeyAT ($8.25 in chips)
Seat 9: varanasibaby ($10.13 in chips)
Seat 10: cvpmcd ($5.50 in chips)
rayzoor: Post SB $0.05
Vintage82: Post BB $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Vintage82 [S9 S8]
Longshott: Fold
hujbika: Fold
jomibb: Fold
JoeyAT: Raise $0.40
varanasibaby: Call $0.40
cvpmcd: Fold
hunterbravo: Fold
rayzoor: Fold
Vintage82: Call $0.30
*** FLOP *** [S10 SJ D6]
Vintage82: Check
JoeyAT: Bet $0.40
varanasibaby: Call $0.40
Vintage82: Raise $1.60
JoeyAT: Call $1.20
varanasibaby: Fold

Bottom end of straight-flush draw, many many outs, possibly counterfeited if he's raising KQ/KQo. Villian has a healthy-ish stack, is high aggression correct here?
 
joosebuck

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high-ish aggression. we can kind of rule out KQ because of the open raise from mp. even most 10max players dont do this. without any reads i probably try to maximize my equity and raise to $1 or $1.20, trying to string along varanasibaby since we own so much of the pot. acting oop is kinda meh against an unknown aggressor, and being as he could hold a wide range of hand we kind of want to keep the pot controllable.

now, we have to bluff oop when he could have as little as AK, or as much as a set of tens or jacks.
 
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Personally, I really like the raise here. You have a great hand, to quote Phil Gordon, "a straight flush draw is a hand to go to war with". The only bad part is that its true you're OOP, but its all about planning ahead. Since he called your raise, what will your strategy be if you miss the turn?
 
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Never fold a straight flush draw, that's Norman Chad poker.
 
Vintage82

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Personally, I really like the raise here. You have a great hand, to quote Phil Gordon, "a straight flush draw is a hand to go to war with". The only bad part is that its true you're OOP, but its all about planning ahead. Since he called your raise, what will your strategy be if you miss the turn?


My plan was to push a low turn card, as I thought a) the pot had a decent size & b) I could push the player off of AQ-AK/99 & below, which I put as part of his range. I also thought he might consider folding if he only had something like AJ/KJ.

*** TURN *** [D10]

Board paired on the turn. What are you feeling now?

My own idea was with a paired board I could maybe put Villain to a test by pushing. Obviously he'd call with quads now, but I thought only other hand in his possible range could be A10, which is less likely now. With bigger pairs (other than JJ aswell), he'd have to think about folding?
 
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My own idea was with a paired board I could maybe put Villain to a test by pushing. Obviously he'd call with quads now, but I thought only other hand in his possible range could be A10, which is less likely now. With bigger pairs (other than JJ aswell), he'd have to think about folding?



You're right that bigger pairs would have to think seriously about folding (QQ+) because your bet, if big, represents a T. As far his range, AT is less likely his hand right now but not impossible, so is JJ. Pot is now $4.85, you have $7.70 left. Problem is a big bet ($3) has you committed if he shoves back, and you would have to call it (pot would be over $15 and you'd have less than $5), because you always have outs here no matter what he has (worst case scenario he has JJ or TT, you only have 2 outs). What sucks here is being OOP but you have to deal with it.

By looking at pros and cons, I'm sure I'd make the $3 bet. This may be bad advice but I just doubt that if you check this he'll check back, then what? Fold? I guess you could and just forget about the $2 you invested in this pot, but I'd go the other way and bet the $3, right or wrong. If you bet $3 there are very few hands he'd shove back with the board being paired, I can think of many he would fold and a few he'd call. The other option is check/call and although its kind of weak, I wouldn't argue it if you're hoping that he minbets, in which case you call because your odds are good.

Interesting hand, I'm sure open to many different opinions.
 
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Heres what happened. Guess I got married to my outs, but thought I could push him off a hand...

*** TURN *** [D10]
Vintage82: Allin $7.70
JoeyAT: Allin $6.25
*** RIVER *** [C4]

JoeyAT shows [DK DJ]
Vintage82 shows [S9 S8]

JoeyAT has 2 pairs, J's & 10's, K high
Vintage82 has a pair of 10's, K high

He he! He made a crying call after using his time bank. Think next time out i'll go with Joose's advice and go for pot control.
 
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