JTs MP facing 8xBB raise PF followed by flop push and 2nd player reraise all in

arkadiy

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Personally I couldn't get myself to fold this hand (stupid call preflop but oh well)

pokerstars Game #10980672405: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/07/17 - 00:23:10 (ET)
Table 'Pierretta II' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: KARAMELEON ($3.80 in chips)
Seat 2: boyerderise ($36.15 in chips)
Seat 3: Bluffin2Much ($12.80 in chips)
Seat 5: alenchik ($8.10 in chips)
Seat 6: Jared82 ($22.40 in chips)
Seat 7: jackie198201 ($30.25 in chips)
Seat 8: Orion469 ($3.45 in chips)
Jared82: posts small blind $0.10
jackie198201: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to alenchik [Th Jh]
Orion469: calls $0.25
KARAMELEON: calls $0.25
boyerderise: raises $1.75 to $2
Bluffin2Much: folds
alenchik: calls $2
Jared82: folds
jackie198201: folds
Orion469: folds
KARAMELEON: calls $1.75
*** FLOP *** [6c Kh Qh]
KARAMELEON: bets $1.80 and is all-in
boyerderise: raises $7.95 to $9.75
alenchik: calls $6.10 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [6c Kh Qh] [Js]
alenchik said, "i cant fold this"
*** RIVER *** [6c Kh Qh Js] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
boyerderise: shows [Ac As] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
alenchik: shows [Th Jh] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
boyerderise collected $8.15 from side pot
KARAMELEON: mucks hand
boyerderise collected $11.45 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.60 Main pot $11.45. Side pot $8.15. | Rake $1
Board [6c Kh Qh Js Qd]
Seat 1: KARAMELEON mucked [4d Kd]
Seat 2: boyerderise showed [Ac As] and won ($19.60) with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 3: Bluffin2Much folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: alenchik (button) showed [Th Jh] and lost with two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 6: Jared82 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: jackie198201 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Orion469 folded before Flop
 
Emperor IX

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Well you're calling a little over $6, to win a little under $14, so that gives you near two to one odds.

You got 9 hearts for your flush, 6 non flush straight outs. 15x4=59% (The rule of 2 and 4, so this is really only an approximation)

1:2.3 equals 43%

Yup. I'd call. Any day of the week, and twice on sunday.

For people who don't understand pot odds, this is an extreme example. He has so many outs that it's really not even funny. He has a 60% chance of making the winning hand (a little results oriented, but a straight draw at this point is assumed to be drawing to a very strong hand), and he only has to call 43% of the pot to do it. Therefore, this call is a winner in the long run, because he can lose it twice, and win once and still break even, but as you notice, he will actually win it more than half the time he plays it!

Ok, I've edited this like six times. I'm probably not done yet, I'm in the midst of a total brain fart.

EDIT: seven edits later. I quit. If it's still wrong then someone who isn't mathematically challenged can fix it for me. :p
 
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ChuckTs

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Brief and blunt because I'm half asleep:

1) buy in for the full amount,
2) fold PF without the implied odds,
3) get your stack in on that flop asap.
 
shinedown.45

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you have to call this, emperor has explained all the reasons why you had to make the call.
 
Afterlife000

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I think it was the right call because you had a bunch of outs. You had a straight draw, flush draw, royal flush draw, you had alot of outs and you couldnt fold that. Sucks that you didnt hit anything with as many outs as you did.
 
t1riel

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I wouldn't have called the big preflop raise with J, 10 suited. It would have avoided you getting in that situation and losing quite a bit of money.
 
tenbob

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Just a rehash of Chucks post really. Buyin in short denies you implied odds to play hands like J10s to big preflop raises, it also denies you implied odds to set mine against a raise. So if your gonna be calling raises with hands like this buy in for the max.

On the flop, get them chips in there, fine.
 
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