Interesting Hand: 200NL

calibanboy

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pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)
BB ($319.95)
UTG ($239.65)
MP ($211.90)
CO ($356.80)
Hero ($197)
SB ($112)
Preflop: Hero is Button with
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UTG calls $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, UTG calls $8, CO calls $8.
Flop: ($33)
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(3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $30, UTG calls $30, CO folds.
Turn: ($93)
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(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $157 (All-In), UTG calls $157.
River: ($0)
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(2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $407

Results in white below:
UTG has 4c 5c (straight, five high).
Hero has 3h 2s (two pair, threes and twos).
Outcome: UTG wins $407.

I have 4 chances to WIn:

- A) the real estate raise - when I have a tight image ( He folds )
- B) the flop bet. ( he folds )
- c) The All in on the turn( He folds )
- d) My Hand holds up

In retrospect his call on the river he is 36% change to catch an outto beat me and his call represents 38% of the final pot.

Admittedly I had to log off after the hand - fuming at his calls. I guess in the long term I want calls like this ( all of them ).
 
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Seneku

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I'm amazed at how bad the turn call was. He's getting 1.6 to 1 on his money and at the very best case he had 13 outs (unless you were bluffing all the way). I'm not sure what your table image was, but I don't normally see calls this bad even at the micro-stakes I play on :D.
 
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Turn call is horrible as is the preflop play and the flop play. Completly horrendous since even if his call represents the same percentage as has of making his hand, the effective odds weren't there on the flop and he might be facing an already made straight or someone drawing to the very same hand as him (any hand with a four) on the turn. Raise or fold this on the flop, calling here is just giving away implied odds.

Plus, the 6 of hearts or the ace of hearts can't be clean outs because of the two hearts on board after the flop, so his outs are actually pretty low.
 
TheJace

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I feel sorry for you man, but hey thats poker. Just look at it as one long session. When you get hit with bad beats that means you must be doin somethin right. For example look at Phil Hellmuth thats all he ever bitches about is bad beats but hey hes got 11 wsop bracelets so he must be doin somethin right, same thing.
 
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Hm, I don't know if you had any reads on him or not but I normally don't get involved with this hand without a read on your opponent. Your preflop raise was a steal but it looks like this wasn't the best guy to steal against.
 
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Threads are you sayin you wouldn't get involved once you hit the two pair or are you talkin about pre-flop?
 
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I gotta agree with Threads here - a) we should have enough info on villain to know how easily he'll give in to positional steals PF, and b) if we know he'll be more likely to call, then we shouldn't even bother stealing with 23.

Otherwise, you played it fine, and he played it terribly.
 
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I was gonna say something about the 2/3 off but threads beat me to it. I just thought it was really obvious but yea interesting to raise with the worse hand in poker. At least you got lucky and nailed the flop with it but the important thing is... You're playing with a hand that is just gonna really get you into trouble. You had the 2 lowest cards and they arn't even suited. I understand he sucked out on you but you should'nt have even been involved in this one in the first place. If I sound critical I'm not tryin to be a dick. Just constructive criticism, peace.
 
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I was gonna say something about the 2/3 off but threads beat me to it. I just thought it was really obvious but yea interesting to raise with the worse hand in poker. At least you got lucky and nailed the flop with it but the important thing is... You're playing with a hand that is just gonna really get you into trouble. You had the 2 lowest cards and they arn't even suited. I understand he sucked out on you but you should'nt have even been involved in this one in the first place. If I sound critical I'm not tryin to be a dick. Just constructive criticism, peace.

Raising with position on weak limpers, you can literally raise any two cards. As long as you have good reads and solid postflop play, it's actually a very good play.

23 is a little wild, but like I said, as long as you have a solid read that your opponents are weak, then steal away!
 
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Raising with position on weak limpers, you can literally raise any two cards. As long as you have good reads and solid postflop play, it's actually a very good play.

23 is a little wild, but like I said, as long as you have a solid read that your opponents are weak, then steal away!

Indeed. I am not saying I wouldn't make this play with this hand I just would want a read to know that it is ok. It is quite profitable to steal with weak hands when you have the reads. In fact, I take pride in being a PITA when I have the button! :)
 
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Yea I understand what you're sayin. I don't blame anyone for raising with anything. I was just sayin. I mean... 2/3 off-suit... lol
 
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Hi Guys,

Yes, I raised with 2/3os. I will raise with any two cards and crush loose limpers depending on three factors.

1) I am sure of my table image and that my image is V.tight and I have shown high pocket pairs to previous large raises.
2) I am comfortable that players on table fold to large raises.
3) I am comfortable my post flop play in relation to those at the table.

I am fully capable to lay down my cards if required, but I see this play as profitable in the long term.

This is why I raised the HH, as I think its interesting in many respects.

- My Raise
- His 3 Very loose Calls.

Had I lost to AK I probably would not have posted the Hand....as its just one of those things.....
 
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I still think you should fold pre-flop... 32o plays worse even that 72o in a heads-up situation. OK you have position, but you can only make this play rarely (or it's very exploitable), so you might as well wait until you get a hand with good potential like some medium suited connectors... and ANY hand is better than this one.
 
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well what can i say, but that was just ugly, not ur play at all, but utg's play, boy talk about loose, A)the preflop call on utg's part, was very loose(that's just my personal thought) b) the call on the flop is once again going back to loose, for the simple fact that utg, could've already been drawing dead, to a gut shot straight draw (never know, u could've had the 4/6 off, not to mention the flush draw being out, so there's 2 outs of utg's gone also). C) Ur all in play should've been more then enough for utg to fold his/her open ended straight draw on the turn, for the simple fact that once again nut straight was out on the turn, and not to mention, 2 of utg's outs were gone, so in all fairness utg was really down to only 6 outs, which i'm not to good with the percentage part but i believe it is 12-14% or somewhere close. Best advice i can give u, is in the long run u'll make lots of money from ppl like that, so i'd keep that person in a buddy list for the simple fact that he/she is so loose and that's the type of ppl u want cuz eventually, no matter how much luck they have, luck can only last for so long.
Damn, once again u did nothing wrong, hopefully one day i'll be good enough to raise with 23 off, untill then do ur thing
 
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I don't like trying to steal here because of the limp by UTG. At my local B&M casino, a limp from early position typically means a big hand trying to rope in some money, as otherwise early position raises tend to just buy the remainder of the blinds after the rake. (This in 1/1/2 $4 to go NL...).

-zinc
 
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Hi Guys,

Yes, I raised with 2/3os. I will raise with any two cards and crush loose limpers depending on three factors.

1) I am sure of my table image and that my image is V.tight and I have shown high pocket pairs to previous large raises.
2) I am comfortable that players on table fold to large raises.
3) I am comfortable my post flop play in relation to those at the table.

I am fully capable to lay down my cards if required, but I see this play as profitable in the long term.

This is why I raised the HH, as I think its interesting in many respects.

- My Raise
- His 3 Very loose Calls.

Had I lost to AK I probably would not have posted the Hand....as its just one of those things.....



i agree to some extent, but playing 32o is pretty bad here, and is definitely slightly -EV in the long run
 
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Ok some ppl will say fold pf, but as played you got your money in when ahead and he luck boxed. At the end of the day 200 NL is rigged :D
 
joosebuck

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i dont mind the preflop play by you, but his is poor. 2 limpers = button raise 99% of the time for me, too. his flop play is pretty poor too (he can only count 6 outs bc of the flush draw).. but after calling the flop i think he has to call that turn as well.
 
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wow very loose play, i guess you should have check the river since he was really aggressive and could have had AK, AA or KK. should have folded pre folp though.
 
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