I felt I had good odds here all the way.

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was playing 8 tables so not sure if I had the correct implied odds here.

pokerstars Game #10553234699: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/06/21 - 20:35:50 (ET)
Table 'Edasich III' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Hobson130 ($4.45 in chips)
Seat 2: stormswa ($9.85 in chips)
Seat 3: niehauschris ($4.70 in chips)
Seat 4: TEXPIKE ($6.15 in chips)
Seat 5: Virus3232 ($10.05 in chips)
Seat 8: volfan1972 ($10.05 in chips)
Seat 9: yaqwe ($9.95 in chips)
TEXPIKE: posts small blind $0.05
Virus3232: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to stormswa [7s 5s]
volfan1972: raises $0.30 to $0.40
yaqwe: folds
Hobson130: folds
stormswa: calls $0.40
niehauschris: folds
TEXPIKE: folds
Virus3232: calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** [6s 9d Kc]
Virus3232: checks
volfan1972: bets $0.25
stormswa: calls $0.25
Virus3232: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [6s 9d Kc] [2s]
Virus3232: bets $1
volfan1972: calls $1
stormswa: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [6s 9d Kc 2s] [9s]
Virus3232: checks
volfan1972: checks
stormswa: bets $2.60
Sopranos_rb joins the table at seat #7
Virus3232: calls $2.60
volfan1972: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
stormswa: shows [7s 5s] (a flush, Nine high)
Virus3232: mucks hand
stormswa collected $9.70 from pot
Virus3232 said, "****ing idiot"
Shakaa450 joins the table at seat #6
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.20 | Rake $0.50
Board [6s 9d Kc 2s 9s]
Seat 1: Hobson130 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: stormswa showed [7s 5s] and won ($9.70) with a flush, Nine high
Seat 3: niehauschris (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: TEXPIKE (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Virus3232 (big blind) mucked [Qd Kd]
Seat 8: volfan1972 folded on the River
Seat 9: yaqwe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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How do you not fold 75sooted PF (even in CO) facing a 4xBB raise from UTG? Wait, let me rephrase that. Especially when your eight tabling, how do you not fold 75sooted PF (even in CO) facing a 4xBB raise from UTG?

Once you get to the flop, I don't so much mind the call. You're getting 6 to 1 and can still dump it if the player behind you C/R.

I think the turn call was questionable at best. Your getting 2 to 1 pot odds right now (and the implied odds are decent, especially with the tag-a-long behind you just calling). But realistically you are behind now and have been all along and you're just hoping for a suck out. You've got a guy getting two callers that is happy to keep betting into them but not so much they'll fold but really not giving them good odds to call.

River suck out. Congrats.

I'm sure we can debate the post flop play quite a bit, but really this is a simple fold PF IMO (especially 8 tabling).
 
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I like it, but I'm a sucker for suited connectors. With such small bets, I have no problem with this play.
 
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With such small bets, I have no problem with this play.
4xBB PF is a small bet to call with sooted gapped cards? :confused:

but I'm a sucker for suited connectors.
I know it's been debated before, but 75sooted isn't a sooted connector. "Connector" is an adjective that describes the cards, not a verb describing what they could do if a card fills in between them.

Guess I'm just being difficult tonight. :eek:
 
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preflop is kinda meh but if you think they can outplay the kid on later streets then im all for it.
 
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It's a suited 1 gapper. Well, if you're playing like a nit, 8-tabling, it's good to mix it up sometimes. The flop call is a questionable call with a gutshot. Turn, 3.85:1.

I like it actually. Make you a little unpredictable. I like to play suited cards up to 1 gapper against overly aggressive opponents.
 
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All I can say is come on over to my table. Type of play that works every so often that people think they can play, and then I can just keep playing stong poker, and eventualy felt you.
 
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preflop is kinda meh but if you think they can outplay the kid on later streets then im all for it.



JD this is why right here, I think I can outplay these players postflop.
 
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All I can say is come on over to my table. Type of play that works every so often that people think they can play, and then I can just keep playing stong poker, and eventualy felt you.


anytime :)

I like playing these kinda hands with position to weak players, they pay you off big time when you hit.
 
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All I can say is come on over to my table. Type of play that works every so often that people think they can play, and then I can just keep playing stong poker, and eventualy felt you.

Storm, This persons a bit of a tool. Read their first ever post on the forum and you will get what i mean. Maybe they have changed their ways sometimes first impressions last.
 
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JD this is why right here, I think I can outplay these players postflop.
Your opponent didn't bet enough post flop (so he's the ****ing idiot), but runner-runnering a flush is hardly outplaying an opponent.
 
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pre flop a bit questionable but not totally unreasonable, ive done the same with 7-4, 8-5 etc it sometimes depends on who puts in the raise and position. I'd always prefer calling a raise from a TAG than a LAG. Personally the raise was a bit too high for me to make such a call.

Flop play by virus was poor, i would have called for that cheap.

It helps to show the table your a bit loose which will help getting paid off in other pots.
 
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I like it actually. Make you a little unpredictable. I like to play suited cards up to 1 gapper against overly aggressive opponents.

It only makes you unpredictable if you can get to showdown.

I don't mind the occasional play with weak holdings, hopefully you hit the flop hard. Although, I'm not sure that you were getting enough implied odds to play this past the turn. I would have folded.
 
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was playing 8 tables so not sure if I had the correct implied odds here.

PokerStars Game #10553234699: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/06/21 - 20:35:50 (ET)
Table 'Edasich III' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Hobson130 ($4.45 in chips)
Seat 2: stormswa ($9.85 in chips)
Seat 3: niehauschris ($4.70 in chips)
Seat 4: TEXPIKE ($6.15 in chips)
Seat 5: Virus3232 ($10.05 in chips)
Seat 8: volfan1972 ($10.05 in chips)
Seat 9: yaqwe ($9.95 in chips)
TEXPIKE: posts small blind $0.05
Virus3232: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to stormswa [7s 5s]
volfan1972: raises $0.30 to $0.40
yaqwe: folds
Hobson130: folds
stormswa: calls $0.40
You have position on them and nobody will really put you on this hand. Typical lag move especially if you think you can outplay them later.
niehauschris: folds
TEXPIKE: folds
Virus3232: calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** [6s 9d Kc]
Virus3232: checks
volfan1972: bets $0.25:mad:
There is $1.25 in the pot and he bets on 25c and get a call. you are getting 6 to 1 and you have lots of cards than can keep you in to see the river. 8 for the striaght, 4 or 3 to give you open ended or double gut buster, and spade for flush. I count 18 so I don't see why not to call this small bet.
stormswa: calls $0.25
Virus3232: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [6s 9d Kc] 2♠
Virus3232: bets $1
volfan1972: calls $1
stormswa: calls $1
You got the spade but that is it. You need a 5 to 1 bet to make the call and are getting about 4 to 1. The problem here is are you going to get paid off on the river if you hit or are they playing tight and will fold. You can squeeze this call if you think you can make more on river but right now you are getting incorrect odds to call.
*** RIVER *** [6s 9d Kc 2s] 9♠
Virus3232: checks
volfan1972: checks
stormswa: bets $2.60
Sopranos_rb joins the table at seat #7
Virus3232: calls $2.60
You got your card and a caller. You got what you wanted on both ends of it.
volfan1972: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
stormswa: shows [7s 5s] (a flush, Nine high)
Virus3232: mucks hand
stormswa collected $9.70 from pot
Virus3232 said, "****ing idiot"
Shakaa450 joins the table at seat #6
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.20 | Rake $0.50
Board [6s 9d Kc 2s 9s]
Seat 1: Hobson130 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: stormswa showed [7s 5s] and won ($9.70) with a flush, Nine high
Seat 3: niehauschris (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: TEXPIKE (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Virus3232 (big blind) mucked [Qd Kd]
Seat 8: volfan1972 folded on the River
Seat 9: yaqwe folded before Flop (didn't bet)

You said you could out play them after the flop but you did nothing but call until you caught your runner/runner flush. Sorry, that is just outdrawing them. If you wanted to outplay them, then you should have reraised on your flush draw to see if you could have taken it down on a simi bluff or something. With that flop you were not going to really get a bluff in so it was down to outdrawing them which you luckily did on the turn and river.
 
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Well, not to defend Storm, but honestly I don't really see much wrong here.

preflop is kinda meh but if you think they can outplay the kid on later streets then im all for it.

This^^^^^^^^. The PF play is on the LAG side. Besides the chance of outplaying them later in the hand, I think its fine to play suited connectors or 1 gap suited connectors when in position and with 2 players already in, as long as you don't do it every time. When a hand like this gets to showdown and you win with it, it gives you an image you can profit from later, with the added bonus of tilting your opponents (see comments lol). Honestly, even the less observant players will notice this hand you played, I'm sure, and you're on your way of getting your monsters paid big time. I'm all for mixing it up occasionally, for the benefits it can bring.

I do understand JD's comments though, 4BB's with a gapped connector is alot to call, and its only ok if you do it occasionally (possibly when in position, like storm was here).

The flop was the only street where odds weren't correct, but it was a tiny bet compared to pot with many cards that could help. Plus, if you're going to attempt to outplay them later in the hand, you have to call this bet.

On the turn, he caught a spade so he now has 12 outs, he's less than 4 to 1 to make his hand and the $1 bet is giving him 3.85 to 1. It's a call , guys. I'm not sure why implied odds are even being brought up here, he doesn't need any. He has correct odds as it stands, and will get paid off nicely if he hits, as it turned out.

In conclusion, I understand those who disagree with the hand, but honestly I like it. When you can pull this off with a bit of luck its great, and you're likely on your way to profit even more on it.
 
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You said you could out play them after the flop but you did nothing but call until you caught your runner/runner flush. Sorry, that is just outdrawing them. If you wanted to outplay them, then you should have reraised on your flush draw to see if you could have taken it down on a simi bluff or something. With that flop you were not going to really get a bluff in so it was down to outdrawing them which you luckily did on the turn and river.

Yes Titans, that's true. He only, in the end, outdrawed them. There never was a time in the hand where you see an attempt to outplay them. In honesty though, I don't think you should try it against 2 players. The only time to do that is when one of them has already folded, IMO. Trying to outplay 2 of them in the same hand is hard, but I do agree that he could of raised the turn with all those draws he had.

Just a small note. I think you forgot he also has an inside straight draw on the turn. I figured his odds being correct to at least call there. Pot is offering 3.85 to 1, and has 12 outs to make his hand.
 
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If I am just playing 1 or 2 tables I can try to make some moves and play a little more 'poker' post flop because I have an idea how each of the people are playing at my table.

I have no idea how you do this 8 tabling. I have a hard time mixing it up to LAG while just 4 tabling. I just don't feel I have a strong enough read on the players to be confident on how they'll react to my 'plays' when I make them post flop.

Anyway, I'm not so disgusted with how you played it. More times then not you're going to have to dump your hand there because players at this level have such a tough time getting away from top pair, but you know that.

Looks like you might have tilted him a little with the show too, that's always nice. LOL @ him calling you "XXXXing idiot".
 
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Just a small note. I think you forgot he also has an inside straight draw on the turn. I figured his odds being correct to at least call there. Pot is offering 3.85 to 1, and has 12 outs to make his hand.

How did I miss that on the turn when I stated it on the flop. You're right. The bad plays post flop were all by the villian. Guess my signature is too true in this case.
 
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Your opponent didn't bet enough post flop (so he's the ****ing idiot), but runner-runnering a flush is hardly outplaying an opponent.


oh I totally agree rob, no one is saying I outplayed this guy. His betting pattern throughout hand though was pretty horrible. And on turn with the added outs I think calling $1 into that pot is pretty simple.

thanks everyone for comments, I like the discussion we had in this hand.
 
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All I can say is come on over to my table. Type of play that works every so often that people think they can play, and then I can just keep playing stong poker, and eventualy felt you.

I've been gone past few days, but who is this guy? I've read 3 posts by him so far, every single one of them is insulting another member here about one thing or another. Great way to contribute to the forum.

Anyways, I think the discussion above pretty much covers everything that needs to be said about this hand. Too bad I wasn't around for it, but I think it was a nice hand to post storms.
 
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I see no problem with the PF play. Hell, see my thread about the 4s-2s I had PF. lol. I did outplayed my opponent on that hand though. And I love the call and the runner runner draw, he's a donkey by betting small and give you enough odds to put him on tilt.
 
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*** TURN *** [6s 9d Kc] 2♠
Virus3232: bets $1
volfan1972: calls $1
stormswa: calls $1
You got the spade but that is it. You need a 5 to 1 bet to make the call and are getting about 4 to 1. The problem here is are you going to get paid off on the river if you hit or are they playing tight and will fold. You can squeeze this call if you think you can make more on river but right now you are getting incorrect odds to call.

He's got gutshot straight draw and flush draw, I think that's 12 outs in total. So, he's getting 4:1, but he needs only 3.8:1. Marginal, but it should be a profitable call.
 
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It only makes you unpredictable if you can get to showdown.

I don't mind the occasional play with weak holdings, hopefully you hit the flop hard. Although, I'm not sure that you were getting enough implied odds to play this past the turn. I would have folded.

Implied odds against overly aggressive players is massive, else, we'll all be folding small pocket pairs to a raise.

I think storm should have let go on the flop, not on the turn. The odds on the turn was good.
 
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